Fireant Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I really want to copy the lines and design of this gun, but change the finish. It would be in 9mm and would make weight. What do you think? I think it would be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve J Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 (edited) What you have there is a case of slide lightening. Not legal in ESP or CDP. ETA: when you remove metal from the slide (espcially on a 9mm gun) you can't claim that it's cosmetic. We all know what it's for. EXCLUDED Modifications (NON-Inclusive list): 1. Full length dust covers of carbon or stainless steel. 2. Oversize diameter magazine release buttons. 3. Trigger shoes. 4. Slide lightening (see “slide, lightening” in glossary for further information). Edited October 30, 2008 by Steve J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSEMARTIN Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 What you have there is a case of slide lightening. Not legal in ESP or CDP. This is a rule I don't get. You can flat top a slide or tri-top it--which will remove far more metal that the above pictured slide. Doesn't make any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickB Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 What you have there is a case of slide lightening. Not legal in ESP or CDP. This is a rule I don't get. You can flat top a slide or tri-top it--which will remove far more metal that the above pictured slide. Doesn't make any sense. I think, as much as anything, it reduces the "impression" that the gun has been lightened. It may seem sort of silly, to someone who might massage every part on a gun used in competition, but a lot of IDPA equipment rules are intended to ensure that things look stock, even if they aren't (that is, can't be readily confirmed as stock). Reduces any perception that a modification is "needed" to improve performance. There's no way to tell if some mods have been made, such as internal lightening (or removing of "safety" devices . . .), but it is possible to police external lightening performed on a standard, round-top slide. I'd like to see a weight and dimension rule, and let the shooter decide how they get there, but HQ keeps forgetting to ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 (edited) I think we just had a thread about this with a gun that looked just like that. What it comes down to is if you want to make your slide lighter or just like the looks get it tri-toped. Anything other than flat/tri topped and your going into the realm of lightening. I also think, or more so agree with who said it in the first thread, its not so much a function thing as a "so and so did that and won now I have to do that to my gun" type of thing. Edited October 30, 2008 by steel1212 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve J Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I think we just had a thread about this with a gun that looked just like that. What it comes down to is if you want to make your slide lighter or just like the looks get it tri-toped. Anything other than flat/tri topped and your going into the realm of lightening. I also think, or more so agree with who said it in the first thread, its not so much a function thing as a "so and so did that and won now I have to do that to my gun" type of thing. Or go with a Commander length slide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve J Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 What you have there is a case of slide lightening. Not legal in ESP or CDP. This is a rule I don't get. You can flat top a slide or tri-top it--which will remove far more metal that the above pictured slide. Doesn't make any sense. Would it? It appears to already be flat topped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I think we just had a thread about this with a gun that looked just like that. What it comes down to is if you want to make your slide lighter or just like the looks get it tri-toped. Anything other than flat/tri topped and your going into the realm of lightening. I also think, or more so agree with who said it in the first thread, its not so much a function thing as a "so and so did that and won now I have to do that to my gun" type of thing. Or go with a Commander length slide. Yeah, that would work but it would be a competition gun if it didn't have a 5" slide now would it lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeFoley Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 FLAT TOP CUT, DEEP FRONT AND REAR COCKING SERRATIONS, TOP STRAP SERRATIONS, REAR SLIDE SERRATIONS, CARRY BEVEL MELTING, AND FRENCH CUTS ON THE SLIDE ARE ALL OK, AND ALL REDUCE WEIGHT. FLUTES ON THE OTHER HAND, CANNOT SERVE ANY OTHER FUNCTION. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayonaise Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 FLAT TOP CUT, DEEP FRONT AND REAR COCKING SERRATIONS, TOP STRAP SERRATIONS, REAR SLIDE SERRATIONS, CARRY BEVEL MELTING, AND FRENCH CUTS ON THE SLIDE ARE ALL OK, AND ALL REDUCE WEIGHT. FLUTES ON THE OTHER HAND, CANNOT SERVE ANY OTHER FUNCTION. Good points fomeister. This issues has been run to death already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 FLAT TOP CUT, DEEP FRONT AND REAR COCKING SERRATIONS, TOP STRAP SERRATIONS, REAR SLIDE SERRATIONS, CARRY BEVEL MELTING, AND FRENCH CUTS ON THE SLIDE ARE ALL OK, AND ALL REDUCE WEIGHT. FLUTES ON THE OTHER HAND, CANNOT SERVE ANY OTHER FUNCTION. Whoa, dude! Turn down the volume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireant Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share Posted October 31, 2008 FLAT TOP CUT, DEEP FRONT AND REAR COCKING SERRATIONS, TOP STRAP SERRATIONS, REAR SLIDE SERRATIONS, CARRY BEVEL MELTING, AND FRENCH CUTS ON THE SLIDE ARE ALL OK, AND ALL REDUCE WEIGHT. FLUTES ON THE OTHER HAND, CANNOT SERVE ANY OTHER FUNCTION. Really? I think they are decorative, so I guess they can serve another function. Tri-topping would take way more weight off the slide than the flutes do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatD Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 "Really? I think they are decorative, so I guess they can serve another function. Tri-topping would take way more weight off the slide than the flutes do. " Agreed. Unless those flutes are going to go all the way through and essentially become holes, they probably aren't going to take off much weight. Tri topping would be a much better option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireant Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share Posted October 31, 2008 I'm not trying to make it lighter, I just really like the look with the flutes. They are pretty shallow, so I thought it would be all right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bones Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 I'm not trying to make it lighter, I just really like the look with the flutes. I think Cowboy Action matches still have a "Best Dressed" category. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokshwn Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Many "Tactical" knives have a blood groove. Just call the flutes "Tactical Blood Grooves". Their intended purpose would be to catch any "fluids" before they entered the cocking serrations minimizing slippage while performing the all important "Tactical Press Check". All would be well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Many "Tactical" knives have a blood groove. Just call the flutes "Tactical Blood Grooves". Their intended purpose would be to catch any "fluids" before they entered the cocking serrations minimizing slippage while performing the all important "Tactical Press Check". All would be well hey Hey HEY...!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 I'm not trying to make it lighter, I just really like the look with the flutes. They are pretty shallow, so I thought it would be all right. Hehe...the old arguement of, "I wanna do it, so it ought to be legal." Good luck with that one, brother. Let me know how it turns out. I like the looks of the flutes too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireant Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share Posted October 31, 2008 Since I'm due to renew my membership, I think I'll call and ask who the decision maker would be. Then I'll send them the pictures and see if I can get an official verdict. I'm not so sure about the I want to do it so it should be legal argument. The book says you can put decorative cuts on it just not lightening cuts. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Since I'm due to renew my membership, I think I'll call and ask who the decision maker would be. Then I'll send them the pictures and see if I can get an official verdict. I'm not so sure about the I want to do it so it should be legal argument. The book says you can put decorative cuts on it just not lightening cuts. We'll see. Call Robert Ray. He is fair enough with his decisions I believe..... But.....Ain't gonna happen. You must avoid even the appearance of impropriety..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve J Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Since I'm due to renew my membership, I think I'll call and ask who the decision maker would be. Then I'll send them the pictures and see if I can get an official verdict. I'm not so sure about the I want to do it so it should be legal argument. The book says you can put decorative cuts on it just not lightening cuts. We'll see. It you get an ok, have it laminated and sewn to the back of your concealment vest, you're going to need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve J Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Many "Tactical" knives have a blood groove. Just call the flutes "Tactical Blood Grooves". Their intended purpose would be to catch any "fluids" before they entered the cocking serrations minimizing slippage while performing the all important "Tactical Press Check". All would be well Not blood grooves, but sand grooves. Check out the sand grooves starting on the 7th picture down here> http://www.louderthanwords.us/forum/viewto...?f=6&t=4246 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Many "Tactical" knives have a blood groove. Just call the flutes "Tactical Blood Grooves". Their intended purpose would be to catch any "fluids" before they entered the cocking serrations minimizing slippage while performing the all important "Tactical Press Check". All would be well Not blood grooves, but sand grooves. Check out the sand grooves starting on the 7th picture down here> http://www.louderthanwords.us/forum/viewto...?f=6&t=4246 I saw that one before. You mean it's the "let sand IN" grooves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve J Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Many "Tactical" knives have a blood groove. Just call the flutes "Tactical Blood Grooves". Their intended purpose would be to catch any "fluids" before they entered the cocking serrations minimizing slippage while performing the all important "Tactical Press Check". All would be well Not blood grooves, but sand grooves. Check out the sand grooves starting on the 7th picture down here> http://www.louderthanwords.us/forum/viewto...?f=6&t=4246 I saw that one before. You mean it's the "let sand IN" grooves As if you could keep the stuff out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonK Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 I also think, or more so agree with who said it in the first thread, its not so much a function thing as a "so and so did that and won now I have to do that to my gun" type of thing. Every single time I hear that argument I INSIST that they swap equipment with me. Then I just beat them again using their own gun. I wish everyone would do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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