Ron Ankeny Posted May 9, 2003 Share Posted May 9, 2003 SmittyFL: Ooops...had to edit the post because we can't publish the HHF on Brian's forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chp5 Posted June 2, 2003 Share Posted June 2, 2003 This is was my best stage at the Alabama state match, but they threw out the stage. Oh well . . . 6.88 seconds 58 points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue edge Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 Just started shoting production, and shot this one today. If someone could help with class % I would be thankful. Production class 56 pts. 9.31 seconds Thanks for the help blue edge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted November 24, 2003 Share Posted November 24, 2003 Just under 60%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted November 24, 2003 Share Posted November 24, 2003 I sucked on this on 09-Nov-03: Limited 10 47 points 20 penalties - a combo mike/no-shoot 9.36 sec HF = 2.8846 Then on 16-Nov-03, I sucked even worse! Limited 10 43 points 30 penalties - three (3) mikes! 9.30 sec HF = 1.3978 The first was a tiny error on one shot that cost me plenty. The second run just plain sucked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted November 24, 2003 Share Posted November 24, 2003 I went to a match Saturday, did not shoot as my gear isn't here yet. Just wanted to scope out the competition. This was the classifier they shot. Easy to for me to say, as I did not shoot, but I was underwhelmed with their performance on this classifier. There were 2 Masters in Open and an M in L10. No M or GM runs this day. Fastest was a 17yr old Open Master, on his second try; 5.75 with a Mike and a hostage. Other Open Master shot a 6.46 with a hostage, and the L10 Master shot 6.56 down 11. The first pass was won by a SENIOR, Limited shooter, 6.96 down 2, he is B class. It just amazed me to see them fold one after the other. They recognized it as a classifier with a HHF and folded like a cheap suit. The 17 yr old could hump on regular stages. Saw him run a 32 round field course in 11.04, down 7, but no body had the gas on the classifier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted November 24, 2003 Share Posted November 24, 2003 Not at all an uncommon thing for most shooters. I'm finally starting to get out of that mentality 2 years after I started shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted November 24, 2003 Author Share Posted November 24, 2003 In the context of a match, this course is merely a land mine to avoid stepping on. Just get your Alphas and stay out of the black and white, no matter how long it takes you. Even if your competition burns it down and takes the stage win and all 60 match points, you're still going to walk out of there at most 5-10 points down. There are bigger fish to fry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted November 24, 2003 Share Posted November 24, 2003 Jake You say it isn't uncommon. Is it that they just choke cause it is a classifier or are they not smart enough to cut it back a notch to avoid the NS's and they get on with the rest of the match. I know that stage was a low match points stage, but you'd think that of three Master shooters, one of them could toe the line without wetting his pants during his run, and put up a number worthy of the M card they hold. Erik You say there are bigger fish to fry. What bigger fish, isn't every stage a complete match unto itself? If you aren't a GM, aren't you trying to smoke every classifier you can so you can move UP; I mean, that is the idea, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted November 24, 2003 Share Posted November 24, 2003 Chalk it up to nerves, inexperience, stupidity, or just plain trying. Which ever reason it is, it happens very frequently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted November 24, 2003 Author Share Posted November 24, 2003 Assuming you want to win the match, or win your class, not just have the high hit factor on the classifier stage, you play a stage like this conservatively. This is assuming a match with several larger field courses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmittyFL Posted November 27, 2003 Share Posted November 27, 2003 Obviously I wasn't there and don't know these guys, so I don't know if this was the reason or not. But as has been talked about on here before, many of the classifers (this is one of them) the HHF's are so high that you have to shoot outside your comfort level if you're going to get a good score. That may have been what they were doing (or not). Our classifers are so old and have been shot so many times, especially the easy ones to set up. That I think it is nearly impossible even for a master to step up cold and shoot a M or GM score. I know for me anyway, to shoot classifers good enough to move me up in class I feel I have to shoot on the ragged edge or maybe a little beyond it. 98-110% of my ability. Vs. a major match for example where I probably shoot 90-95%. If you look at the classifers, the easier they are to set up the higher the HHF is relative to the stage. That is just a product of the fact they have been shot many more times because they are easy to set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric nielsen Posted November 28, 2003 Share Posted November 28, 2003 Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted November 29, 2003 Share Posted November 29, 2003 I understand what you are saying. It is my understanding that the purpose of the classifiers and the flagging system, put in place by the USPSA, is to place a shooter in a certain classification which allows them to shoot within their range of ability MOST of the time. Maybe I caught these guys on a bad day, a bad classifier, or they viewed it as a non issue 'cause they already have the M card. I don't know. Maybe my expectations were too high. After reading the times and scores from many members of this forum, I surely expected at least a run in the mid to low 5's down about 4 or 5. Even the 17 yr old Master told me he had run the El Prez in 4.22. Maybe this ties in with another of my posts about the HHF being too high for most shooters to move up when they have to shoot that classifier. Maybe USPSA should rotate the avaliable classifers to avoid shooters practicing only the classifiers so that they can move up in class without having the real skills to shoot to that advanced classification. Kind of class elitism, or reverse sandbagging; holding an M card and only shooting mid A scores on everything other than classifiers... Interesting, but disappointing in some regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdj Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 Once again proving that screwing up a classifier is even easier than screwing up the rest of the match Jones, Kevin U Open 47 20 7.99 3.3792 One shot a little off and hitting the bright white card that seems to draw my shots. I suppose I would have been better of firing another shot (assuming that I could get that one in the brown!) since I knew I'd done it and I'd be 5 points better off (procedural plus hit vs miss plus 0), as someone else did, but I only think that way later! One day, I'll shoot a decent classifier ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ankeny Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 Well add me to the list of guys who folded like a cheap suit. Balls to the wall hopers from the get go. Ended up with Alphas (out house luck) until I shot the hard cover (what I deserved). Time was 5.2 seconds...woulda, coulda, shoulda been 100 per cent but it looks like I'll settle for a hf of 8.6538. I am not worthy of the card I hold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 At least you tried, most of the ones I watched, didn't do that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Kwiat Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 Nuevo? Hardly... But what do I know, I took French not Spanish... I did a 4.7 secs. last Sat. but had a non-penalty Mike (aka "D"), and three Cs for 54pt (HF=11.48). That's if I'm remembering right. We'll see in a week or so when it posts. I'm with Smitty in the dropping points category but to break 5 secs. on this one it's pretty hard to give up the splits to confirm an A over a C on T2 & T3. T3 is especially tough to not pull the second shot into the no-shoot if shooting sub. .20s. IMHO, "center-of-mass" aiming is tough to get the points that you need these days. If you queried most of the big dogs, I bet they are aiming at the edge of the largest available A-zone. That way, hopefully the worst you'll end up with is an A-C. Opinions are like... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted March 31, 2004 Author Share Posted March 31, 2004 non-penalty Mike (aka "D") That's a new one to me and I like it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted April 12, 2004 Author Share Posted April 12, 2004 Limited, 7.12 seconds, 58 points, 8.1460674157 HF 1.59 turn-and-draw and 1.81 reload :( after inadvertantly activating the thumb safety for the first time ever. Just shot slow and smooth for the points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Benzick Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Shot this one on Sunday. Limited Benzick, David 8 M Limited 52 0 6.25 8.3200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 Limited HF = 4.6137 Limited 10 HF = 5.1020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimstc Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Newly classified C shooter. Shot this one on Sunday Time 10.5 58 pts HF 5.5238 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 this is the other one I shot, pretty rough for not playing the game for a while. 5.15 hit factor 48.4454% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driver8M3 Posted June 9, 2004 Share Posted June 9, 2004 production: time:9.41 points: 58 HF: 6.1637 whats the % for that run? thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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