mpolans Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Interesting... http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=845770 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driver8M3 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 i thought the production box was based on the size of a glock 34...but i've not seen a box yet. will a 17L fit in the production box??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpolans Posted March 22, 2008 Author Share Posted March 22, 2008 Good point, I didn't even think about that when I saw the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
open17 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Interesting. I thought the 17L (and 24) were too long to fit the box. 7 Maximum size Handgun and all magazines (revolvers are exempt) Yes, handgun with empty magazine inserted must fit wholly within a box with internal dimensions of 8 15/16” x 6” x 1 5/8” (tolerance +1/16”, -0”) (8.938”x6”x1.625”) (227.01mmx152.40mmx41.28mm) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 I sent Amidon a heads up..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 My understanding has always been that the Glock 34/35 were created because the 17L/24 wouldn't fit in the IPSC Production/IDPA box. You'll note, if you go on the 'net, that the measurement of the 17L's 225mm length given, which would barely make the 227.1mm limit, is for the slide only. Once you add in the barrel sticking out the front, and the beavertail at rear, I'm sure that adds way more than 2.1mm, i.e. the 17L is well over the limit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAB Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Here is a link that list all the guns that meet Production class http://www.ipsc.org/proddiv.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 I think that was probably John's stock answer without having to research the gun. Duane, you're a little off on the G34/35. They were designed for IDPA and IPSC Standard. They were never legal for IPSC Production because of the 5.32" bbl. IPSC has a Production requirement of no bbl longer than 5". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Meek Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 I think that was probably John's stock answer without having to research the gun. Duane, you're a little off on the G34/35. They were designed for IDPA and IPSC Standard. They were never legal for IPSC Production because of the 5.32" bbl. IPSC has a Production requirement of no bbl longer than 5". I thought the G34/35 were designed for production, THEN IPSC added the 5" barrel rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Duane, you're a little off on the G34/35. They were designed for IDPA and IPSC Standard. They were never legal for IPSC Production because of the 5.32" bbl. IPSC has a Production requirement of no bbl longer than 5". I stand corrected. (Well, I'm actually sitting, but you know what I mean.) Thanks. Good info to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDM Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 So can I shoot my 17L in USPSA production? Somehow I doubt that will happen but we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 All this talk about the Glock 34/35 or the 17-L being legal in this sport or that (IPSC / IDPA) but when I started shooting Production in USPSA 2 years ago I bought a used 2nd gen. 17 and within 9 months made Master. The Glock 17 is legal in IPSC Production, USPSA Production, IDPA SSP, GSSF, Steel Challenge, etc. etc. etc. The only thing it doesn't do is make MAJOR in LTD or Standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 [introduction to the opposite sketches] That's all fine and good Chris, but what about a longer sight radius or more weight to counter recoil? Sure you made M with a G17, but maybe had you been shooting a G17L you would have made GRAND Master. Sure drawing a 6 inch gun out of a Production holster would be like pulling out a broadsword, but you would make up the time in splits. Something to think about. [/opposite sketches] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 (edited) But what about quicker draw times, and transitions ? And what is this punishing recoil you speak of, shooting 9mm ?????? I'm simply stating the fact that if you want to remove all confusion as to what is and what isn't legal in a myriad of sports ..... and want to keep it cheap and simple (keeping in mind the G34 costs more) ... GET A 17 AND PRACTICE! Edited March 22, 2008 by CHRIS KEEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jobob Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 The G34/35 is legal in USPSA Production. They are not approved in IPSC Production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 The G34 was around when IPSC introduced Production in 1999 and the US introduced it shortly after. IPSC rules were created, including the 5" rule at the time of inception, to preclude the G34 from being the dominant gun. Also most other guns at the time had a shorter barrel so they didn't want to create a disparity. It has never been legal for IPSC Production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuz Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 GET A 17 AND PRACTICE! Practice? Are you talkin' about Practice?? Not a actual match, but practice!! How silly is that... Practice. I mean, I know it's important, I really do. But Practice? We're talking about Practice??? We ain't talking about the game, we talking about practice. Practice. Practice. Man practice. I mean, it ain't like it's a match, it's practice. You're not even talking about an actual match, when it matters. You're talking about practice... -Cuz (with his very poor Allen Iverson impersonation). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11.43mm Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 My memory (faulty) was the IDPA box...IpsC never factored into the equation; but it is now enjoyed by many!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Amidon Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 I think that was probably John's stock answer without having to research the gun. Duane, you're a little off on the G34/35. They were designed for IDPA and IPSC Standard. They were never legal for IPSC Production because of the 5.32" bbl. IPSC has a Production requirement of no bbl longer than 5". I met with a Glock representative this morning whom I contacted last week, he agreed to bring a model 17L with him, we could not get it to fit into the Production gun box which is 8 15/16" X 6" X 1 5/8", the problem is the way the butt of the grip extends rearward, thus not allowing it to fit. Therefore, the Glock 17L does not meet the criteria or requirements of the Production division, and will not be an approved gun for this division. Regards, John Amidon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThompson Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 (edited) I think that was probably John's stock answer without having to research the gun. Duane, you're a little off on the G34/35. They were designed for IDPA and IPSC Standard. They were never legal for IPSC Production because of the 5.32" bbl. IPSC has a Production requirement of no bbl longer than 5". I met with a Glock representative this morning whom I contacted last week, he agreed to bring a model 17L with him, we could not get it to fit into the Production gun box which is 8 15/16" X 6" X 1 5/8", the problem is the way the butt of the grip extends rearward, thus not allowing it to fit. Therefore, the Glock 17L does not meet the criteria or requirements of the Production division, and will not be an approved gun for this division. Regards, John Amidon Well, that is that. Also, welcome to the forum John! JT Edited March 31, 2008 by JThompson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikey357 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 Hhmmm...wonder if a "17L-SF" would fit in "The Box"???...Hhmmm... ....mikey357 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunuva Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 Thanks John, welcome to the forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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