PINMAN44 Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 I know that it is a felony in California for one to buy and sell high capacity mags. Is it a felony to be in the state and shoot a match with them? I have never shot a major match, I'm a steel shooter and I would eventually like to go to the Steel Challenge is Piru, California. Is it illegal for me to bring my high cap mags (ST/SV) into the state with my gun? I barely have enough money to shoot let alone buying all new 10 round mags. If I bring these mags into the state would I be charged or is it ok as long as they are not being bought or sold? I keep hearing different things and I'm not sure. Any help would be most appreciated! Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlamoShooter Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 This has been posted several times and a search would do better than I answer you question. I have made the trip for 8 years with my Hicap mags. Don't sell them loan them, give them away Or Louse them! and you will be OK. But I don't know nothing but nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PINMAN44 Posted March 18, 2008 Author Share Posted March 18, 2008 Sounds sketchy. I might just buy the damn 10 rounders. I'm new so I didn't know there were other posts on this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 I'm not a lawyer. I don't play one on TV and I don't stay at Holiday Inn Express. You are safe bringing in to CA 10 rd magazines. IMHO, as a private citizen, you are not allowed to bring in hicaps for any reason. There are some provisions for in state LE but I'm not sure if they apply to visiting LE. I'm not LE so since they do not apply to me, I've not figured them out. If you are, call or write the CA DOJ and ask them for a clarification. You can even ask them for a clarification, in writing, regarding brining them in for competition if you are non-LE as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirpy Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 I believe the SC rules are up on the USPSA web site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 (edited) I know that it is a felony in California for one to buy and sell high capacity mags. Is it a felony to be in the state and shoot a match with them?I have never shot a major match, I'm a steel shooter and I would eventually like to go to the Steel Challenge is Piru, California. Is it illegal for me to bring my high cap mags (ST/SV) into the state with my gun? I barely have enough money to shoot let alone buying all new 10 round mags. If I bring these mags into the state would I be charged or is it ok as long as they are not being bought or sold? I keep hearing different things and I'm not sure. Any help would be most appreciated! Thanks! It is also a felony to import high capacity mags into California. No exclusion for competitions. That said, if you need high caps at the SC, you should get some more practice Later, Chuck edit: forgot the disclaimer: me no lawyer. Edited March 18, 2008 by ChuckS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlamoShooter Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 do a forum search for Hicapacit mags in California =Last year that was hashed out. Also email Mike Fitchman direct and he can help you. Why would I take Hi-cap mags to the Steel Challenge. Why wouldn't I = My adopted state did not vote to limit my rites. I do OK at steel challenge in spite of shooting with a fat mag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PINMAN44 Posted March 18, 2008 Author Share Posted March 18, 2008 Guys I only have high cap mags, and I'm so low on funds that I cannot afford ten rounders... Thats why I'm asking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlamoShooter Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 (edited) Guys I only have high cap mags, and I'm so low on funds that I cannot afford ten rounders... Thats why I'm asking! Hey I we just call them Mags East of the Callifonda line The entire thing has been hashed out though I think even a lawyer would have a hard time with it. I think if a trap was set up it would be costly to defend. I bet if I loaned my gun or my mag to a local shooter other than at the event that could be, would be a problem. I do know a few shooters that will not go to California out of "Fear" of the states laws. It has been five years since I read the thing and got a firm answerer =I used to have it copied down to keep with me. I suggests that you find the information in print so that you can have a copy and 'Know' for certain, so that you don't have to tell your wife why you need to send money to a lawyer Edited March 18, 2008 by AlamoShooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PINMAN44 Posted March 18, 2008 Author Share Posted March 18, 2008 Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtDiver Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 A typical steel stage is comprised of four plate and a stop plate that is shot last and stops the clock. Their is no need for a HiCap mag. If you burn thru 10 rounds you need more practice not match time. View the US Steel National stages on BJ Norris blog . This will give you a better understanding of the disclipine. http://bjnorris.blogspot.com/ http://www.ussteelshoot.com/ DirtDiver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PINMAN44 Posted March 18, 2008 Author Share Posted March 18, 2008 Oh my god. I feel like a broken record. I only have hi caps. I have shot steel challenge practice set ups. I can't afford the ten rounders. The hi caps came with my gun. I can't afford to shoot more than 5 rounds for the five plates... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlamoShooter Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 (edited) Thank you Well I did find the California code that makes it OK to take the "Assault Gun" aka hand gun into the state for competition. Go to www.caag.state.ca.us it has the California firearm laws Penal code /section 12280(m) states that a visitor can bring in an Assault weapon - 50cal bmg to compete in a target shooting event. I could not find the magazine part that allows it only the one that prohibits the "Subjects"of Californian form having them. And yes it is possible for a citizen of California to get a -Permit- to posses a new high cap mag - According to the state gov website. But I don't know nothing, I may have to only shoot the event with my High cap revolver this year. I think they will be posting my photo to get picked up on the Big Brother video cameras on the street corners Edited March 18, 2008 by AlamoShooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davecutts Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 get these: http://www.arredondoaccessories.com/catego...khc&GID=L10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoMiE Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 (edited) Thank you Well I did find the California code that makes it OK to take the "Assault Gun" aka hand gun into the state for competition. Go to www.caag.state.ca.us it has the California firearm laws Penal code /section 12280(m) states that a visitor can bring in an Assault weapon - 50cal bmg to compete in a target shooting event. I could not find the magazine part that allows it only the one that prohibits the "Subjects"of Californian form having them. And yes it is possible for a citizen of California to get a -Permit- to posses a new high cap mag - According to the state gov website. But I don't know nothing, I may have to only shoot the event with my High cap revolver this year. I think they will be posting my photo to get picked up on the Big Brother video cameras on the street corners The CA DOJ doesn't know their own laws or how they are written and what they mean, they just follow policy. I am not a lawyer either, but I can read. The last go around with this I called the CA DOJ and spoke with quite a few field reps there before someone with a brain there said, Oh, I see what you mean and I never have seen section 12280, I thought section 12020 covered hi-cap magazines, but we cannot give out legal advice. So when I asked it is perfectly legal for me to take an AR or 50 cal BMG, or ANY pistol that has magazines with greater than 10 round capacity, which in CA is considered an "assult weapon" just as long as I dont bring the magazines, she said I guess so. So then when I asked how can I compete if I can't put any rounds in my guns without being at a considerable disadvantage or having a single shot weapon against semi-automatic, she said I don't know. She then went on to say that they just say what they are told to say and the policy was to tell anybody asking about hi-cap magazines that, NO, there are no execeptions on magazines, but they do allow assult weapons in limited instances, LE and military, but the weapons must be kept on base or in police station, but still no hi-cap mags. I guess they don't trust the men and women who serve to keep assult weapons at their own homes. One other thing that was interesting was one field rep during a discussion said that I could not even travel through CA if I was going through another state as that is considered importation. When I told her that was flat out wrong as the Firearms Owners Protection Act gives people who live in othe states safe passage. I asked her how is it considered importation if I go there for a competition and leave with what I came with. I didn't manufacture it, didnt sell it, didnt try to sell it, didnt give it to anybody, didnt lend it, or didnt loose it, doesnt importation having to do with buying and selling of goods? She responded with I can't give you any legal advice and hung up the phone. Edited March 19, 2008 by HoMiE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlamoShooter Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 (edited) Interesting Thanks I only had 1/2 the story like allways, my mags are old though Edited March 19, 2008 by AlamoShooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecichlid Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Homie, thanks for the info. Stuff like that is why I will never go back to PRK willingly. Joe W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PINMAN44 Posted March 19, 2008 Author Share Posted March 19, 2008 See things like that worry me. I'm not about to get a freakin felony charge for something stupid like a high cap mag. Thanks homie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharonAnne9x23 Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 anyone who cannot afford 3-10 round magazines cannot afford to GO to the Steel Challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Capizzo Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 Maybe someone who live in Ca. or is planning on going to Piru can lend the guy some 10 round mags. He asked a legit question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidwiz Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 anyone who cannot afford 3-10 round magazines cannot afford to GO to the Steel Challenge. That's not right. Here is someone who wants to go shoot, and you just want to drive them away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidwiz Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 I don't live in CA, but here are 2 resources that I found that deal with CA's gun laws: http://www.calgunlaws.com - which is run by a CA attorney http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/CASL.pdf - NRA's primer on CA's gun laws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el pres Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 Well...... one way I've heard of it being done is if traveling in your vehicle and the base pads and springs are out then you have parts, not mags... Not a Lawyer but do stay at the Holiday Inn... I would ask on Calguns and see what they say. Myself I just wont go to shoot in KaLIforNia, I'm from there but I"m done with it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharonAnne9x23 Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 i do not want to drive anyone away. but it IS the truth. if you cannot afford 3-10 rd magazines how in the world can you afford entry fee, hotel, air fare, meals. his complaint is total BS. for the price of one restaurant dinner he can have the needed magazines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianATL Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 anyone who cannot afford 3-10 round magazines cannot afford to GO to the Steel Challenge. That's not right. Here is someone who wants to go shoot, and you just want to drive them away. +1 I could certainly afford some mags but why buy them if you didn't have to buy them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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