HK P7M8 for production

[-JQ-]

I'm thinking about picking up a sweet P7M8 from a friend and then use it for prodution...thoughts? Experiences?

TIA

[Mo Hepworth]

I don't think this is an approved production division pistol. Think Single action with the grip safety on the front of the grip.

Limited/limited 10 or and IDPA gun.

Edited January 2, 2008 by Mo Hepworth

[Chuck Anderson]

The P7 is on the list. Unless there is one I'm not aware of it looks ok to me. The only downside is the reduced capacity magazines. You'll only have 8 rounds in each compared to just about everyone else running 10. Makes some courses (almost all of them) really tight.

[Viggen]

Great gun. Get it and keep it, whether you shoot it in Production or not.

That is something to get, if you can afford it.

[itchy]

You might want to reconsider trying to use it in competition. The P7 gets very hot, under the triggerguard. After 50 rounds, it's almost too hot to hold. If you can get one at a good price, pick it up!

Seiichi

[spook]

It is on the list for USPSA if I'm not mistaking, but it is not on the list for IPSC (if you ever decide to go international). Then again, in IPSC with 20 round CZ's dominating, I doubt the P7 will ever be competitive.

I had a P7M13 and really liked it. It's one of those guns you have to learn to shoot though. Accuracy was amazing (1"@25yds). Trigger is sweet. I just couldn't get used to that squeeze cocker...

[Dick Ozinga]

The P7 takes some getting used too, but as Spook says it is superbly accurate (I now have his M13, but owned an M8 for years) and my sister loves it.

The M8 is for smaller hands, the M13 for bigger hands but you could add Nill grips to improve handling. I have yet to find a standard pistol that can give faster and closer grouped follow-up shots.

It is however 100% unforgiving to people who neglect the basic safety rule on where and when to put your finger on the trigger which let to several fatal AD's / ND's with the police in West Germany. GSG operators however loved it and "never" had problems with the squeeze cocking action.

The single stacks M8 magazines are easier on the thumb then the double stack M13's. And the M8 is more concealable than the M13 because it's slimmer frame, if that is an issue.

As for durability, replace the slide spring when you buy it and you're good to go.

Regards,

Dick

[ken hebert]

Get it and don't look back. But use something else for gun games.

[p7fl]

P7s are a lot of fun to shoot in USPSA Production. I've been shooting an P7 M13 since Production was started. Totally reliable and if there are any misses it isn't the guns fault. As to the gun heating up, yes, maybe 75 rounds, but since there is usually an hours wait between stages I've never had a P7 get too hot at a match.

The P7 M8 only holds 8 in the magazine, but so does does a Single Stack.

Reloads are quick with the ambi mag release and simply squeeze to close the slide.

There is also plenty of good Kydex equipment available.

[splashdown]

Same experience here. Super accurate because the barrel is fixed in the frame. Super fast slide cycle. I've heard how it gets too hot to handle, but I never noticed it, even in matches. Alas, I sold my M13 to pay for an SV I bought. But some of my best production classifiers were shot with that M13. I wouldn't shoot production with an M8, its capacity is too limiting.

[Gary1911A1]

It looks like the P7M13 are going for over a thousand dollars and some for two thousand now on GunBroker. Should of gotten one when I had the chance.

[-JQ-]

The P7 is a single stack...maybe that class? it might really put the 1911 guys in a spin...:-)

[Flexmoney]

Single stack division isn't really single-stack, it is 1911. (weird, huh?)

We have a local shooter that uses one for Steel Challenge match. Great there. You'll want up to 5 mags for it though or you will slow the match down.

[-JQ-]

Thanks Flex-

That is good to know...

[chp5]

I think it's out of production by HK - isn't it?

[Clyde]

Get it and keep it.

I prefer Nill grips on the P7M8 to make the grip thicker. Mag pouches are an issue with the M8 due to the design of the mag. (I have not found a mag pouch I like for the M8 for speed reloads) The Trigger on the P7 series has a long reset when compared to more common Production guns. VERY limited aftermarket accessories. Even Mags can be hard to find.

I like the P7M13 for production - the extra 2 rounds come in handy, much easier to reload. Lots of fun.

- I will playing in production using an M13 this year - Hope to see you at the range......

Edited January 5, 2008 by Clyde

[splashdown]

Shooting an M13 in production is like loading to a wide magwell, only here the opening is doublestack width and the top of the mag is singlestack width. Secret inverted magwell! That's just between us, ok? shhhhhhh...

[Dick Ozinga]

Get it and keep it.

I prefer Nill grips on the P7M8 to make the grip thicker. Mag pouches are an issue with the M8 due to the design of the mag. (I have not found a mag pouch I like for the M8 for speed reloads) The Trigger on the P7 series has a long reset when compared to more common Production guns. VERY limited aftermarket accessories. Even Mags can be hard to find.

I like the P7M13 for production - the extra 2 rounds come in handy, much easier to reload. Lots of fun.

- I will playing in production using an M13 this year - Hope to see you at the range......

In my experience the trigger reset on the P7 is very fast, have you tried the reset on a P9? That one is almost too long for faster shooting but the P9 is ideal for target shooting. For new / used mag go to the source, Germany, and try these guys: http://www.cds-ehrenreich.de/zubehoer/magp.htm

You get your favorite gumsmith to order 7 P7M8 mags and you have your minimum order amount (€ 275).

Regards,

Dick

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[open17]

We had a competitor using a P7M13 a couple of years ago. IIRC he shot it in Production

and Limited/Limited 10 minor.

Neat little gun. Extremely fast action, very accurate. Unfortunately after a few months the

slide cracked. I don't know if he ever got it fixed, never saw the gun in a match again.

Bill