joecichlid Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 (edited) One of the shooters I compete with gave me ten rounds of .38 Super Comp loaded with MG 121 IFP over 9.0 grains (if I remember correctly) of 3N38 to try out. At first I wasn't sure how well they would work in my gun but he (who happens to be a GM) told me they worked fantastic out of his gun. On his advice I gave them a shot, so to speak. Off of a sand bag I shot five rounds at 25 yards and I was a little stumped. The first five rounds were so close I wasn't sure if I was throwing them somewhere else on the target so I fired a few more for good measure. After going down range to get my target I was VERY pleased with what I found. My only problem I had was that the powder made the gun a little snappy. I hope to get a small sample of the bullets to try out with the powder I normally use, Hodgdon Longshot, and see how they do. I will post any results I get from that testing. Note: the bullets in my sample mic'd out at 0.3555 dia. Joe W. Edited December 5, 2007 by joecichlid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outerlimits Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 they are very accurate bullets...been shooting them for a couple years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecichlid Posted December 5, 2007 Author Share Posted December 5, 2007 If they run this good with my usual powder I am going to have to buy a few cases too. Joe W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestWorld Posted December 9, 2007 Share Posted December 9, 2007 If they run this good with my usual powder I am going to have to buy a few cases too. OK silly question. How many are in a case of MG's (couldn't find it on the MG site) and is the MG site the best place to purchase the IFP's? TIA , West Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokshwn Posted December 9, 2007 Share Posted December 9, 2007 If they run this good with my usual powder I am going to have to buy a few cases too. OK silly question. How many are in a case of MG's (couldn't find it on the MG site) and is the MG site the best place to purchase the IFP's? TIA , West 3800/case current price is $272/case or if you buy 3 cases $269/case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecichlid Posted January 9, 2008 Author Share Posted January 9, 2008 I think I am going to get a case or two in the next few weeks. The bullets I usually shoot are now well over $100 a thousand locally and even direct from the maker the price is higher than the MGs so I am switching and I know they work. Joe W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mscott Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 What is the purpose of making a 121gr bullet in this profile and what does the IFP mean? There are 115gr and 124gr JHPs, so why go just a couple grains either way? Is the base of the 121gr exposed lead or is it a total jacket? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boz1911 Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Ordered some of these yesterday, I believe they told me IFP was for International Flat Point. Don't know about the exposed base yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trodrig Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 As I understand it, the 121 is basically the same as the 115 hollow point with the hollow cavity filled in. The base does not have exposed lead. Trodrig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00bullitt Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Yes.....the IFP is a full jacketed bullet. Its purpose is to meet the minimum bullet weight of 120 grains for IPSC (hence International Flat Point) competition in open. It is 1 grain heavier to allow for variances so that it will make it through chrono. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 I bought a case of these when Angus was shy on Zeros of all weights last year - haven't dug into them yet, but will be right after the FL Open... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcs Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Yes.....the IFP is a full jacketed bullet. Its purpose is to meet the minimum bullet weight of 120 grains for IPSC (hence International Flat Point) competition in open. It is 1 grain heavier to allow for variances so that it will make it through chrono. I have been shooting 121 IFP for awhile and they weighed in at 120.5 gns at 3 different major matches last year. Very accurate bullet as stated before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boz1911 Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Yes.....the IFP is a full jacketed bullet. Its purpose is to meet the minimum bullet weight of 120 grains for IPSC (hence International Flat Point) competition in open. It is 1 grain heavier to allow for variances so that it will make it through chrono. I have been shooting 121 IFP for awhile and they weighed in at 120.5 gns at 3 different major matches last year. Very accurate bullet as stated before. That's good to know, makes about 6fps difference to make approx 170PF.......Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superdude Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 IFP = International Full Profile from their invoice. right in front of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Man Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 I'm sold on the 121 IFP in my open gun. My gun's a little older, so it doesn't have hybrid holes, and was recommended 7.8 grs of Longshot to "easily" make major with them (haven't chrono'd that load yet, but have shot it plenty.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianH Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 What barrel, Joe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecichlid Posted January 11, 2008 Author Share Posted January 11, 2008 BrianH, it is an STI barrel. The gun was built back in 93/94 according to STI and this is the original barrel. Hood is marked STI and serial on bottom of barrel matches frame and slide. When I got the gun almost two years ago it had less than 1000 rounds through it and it showed. Since then I have put 12,000 to 13,000 it and it still shoots great. Joe W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce282 Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Are most folks using these bullets for 9MM major, or should they also work well as a minor load using say Titegroup? Bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Man Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 (edited) NICE GROUP! I'll try some of those when I get closer to needing more bullets! FM Edited January 14, 2008 by Front Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Are most folks using these bullets for 9MM major, or should they also work well as a minor load using say Titegroup? They should work fine for 9mm minor - a little unusual (in that not a lot of folks are using them for that application), but shuld work fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecichlid Posted January 20, 2008 Author Share Posted January 20, 2008 Frontman, thanks. I think you will like them a lot when you get to try them. I just ordered a case of them and look forward to shootig them. Joe W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boz1911 Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 Finally did some shooting with these Friday in my new to me open gun. Don't have anything to compare previously and maybe it's jut the gun but seemed very accurate. Plan to do some sandbag shooting when warmer days arrive. I am using 8.6 g of imr4756 at 1.250 col to make 172PF. Thread drift. At what distance do most of you open guys sight in at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecichlid Posted January 21, 2008 Author Share Posted January 21, 2008 I usually have mine zeroed at about 25 yards or 35 yards. Although at Area 3 last year there was a shot on paper at 75 yards. Joe W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 I found one thing to not like about these.... The lead "filling" is uneven between bullets - so if your seating stem is working off the top of the bullet, you get different seating depths on your loaded rounds (same OAL, but the base of the bullet may be deeper into the case on some than others). I haven't grouped them yet - but interestingly, even though these are .355 bullets, the velocities don't differ much from the .356 Zero. Slower by maybe 10 fps in my gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecichlid Posted January 21, 2008 Author Share Posted January 21, 2008 You might check the bullets. The ones I hit with the mic came out at 0.3555. This could explain the velocity. My gun really likes 0.356 bullets but when I shot the 121 IFPs the groups were outstanding. Thanks for the heads up, I will be sure and keep an eye on my OAL when I start loading them. Joe W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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