SinistralRifleman Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Debbie Ferns did a good job in this interview: http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=cfee156d...64&fg=email Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Boudrie Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 She sure did. It was interesting that she demoed a JP, but they interviewed the president of Stag Arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 What an amazingly well-balanced segment. And here I never knew my AR-15's pistol grip existed so I could fire it from the hip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajarrel Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Gee, all my rifles are "black rifles" Even my hunting rifles have a black synthetic stock. It is a good piece. Seems like the media would use the proper names for guns. Like calling it an AR-15 instead of the dreaded "black-rifle" FWIW dj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjbine Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 +1 for Debbie Ferns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCK Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 While Debbi did a good job, I felt the media leaned to the "evil" side of the gun. Leave it to the media to put a woman on TV to demonstrate something and then add their own editorial about how bad they can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Funny thing is: -there are growing masses of AR-15 owners - even ones who consider themselves "AR experts" - on places like AR-15.com, who would be completely unfamiliar with the JP rifle shown, or the growing sport of 3gun (much of which is not governed by USPSA). What are these people doing with their AR-15s? A. the are generally, going to "the range," sitting there at a bench and (slow-fire) "shooting a group" off a rest or a bipod - over & over, weekend after weekend. Slightly more advanced users will "take training" - which has all sorts of implications & few defined best practices. Funny how often they scoff at the suggestion of trying out a competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L9X25 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 While Debbi did a good job, I felt the media leaned to the "evil" side of the gun. Leave it to the media to put a woman on TV to demonstrate something and then add their own editorial about how bad they can be. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberneck Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 What an amazingly well-balanced segment.And here I never knew my AR-15's pistol grip existed so I could fire it from the hip. Some of these boneheads in the media can't get past the Hollywood BS. As if shooting from the hip somehow made a rifle more deadly. Who needs a good sight picture when trying to hit something. If I ever have the misfortune of being on the wrong end of an AR I pray the other idiot is shooting from the hip and not taking aim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Man Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 While Debbi did a good job, I felt the media leaned to the "evil" side of the gun. Leave it to the media to put a woman on TV to demonstrate something and then add their own editorial about how bad they can be. +1 Debbie Ferns did do an excellent job! Yep, Lisa Meyers editorial comments were straight from Brady talking points. It's some weak and lazy journalism in an otherwise even report. She didn't appear to investigate very deeply or find more than three sources. A high school newspaper writer could have done that... That report is a loooong way from how they portrayed AR's in the early 1990's, and that is something we can all like a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgibson Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 The thing that upset me about the piece was that they referred to them as "assault rifles". That wasn't the only thing but it is the one that I remember the most. TG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinistralRifleman Posted July 20, 2007 Author Share Posted July 20, 2007 You will never see a news piece 100% in our favor. This was an extremely well balanced piece for the main stream media. Debbie came off as a lot more calm and rational than the opposing side did. The piece also showed that they are increasing in popularity for a number of uses including hunting and sport shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38superman Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 (edited) It seemed to be a fairly objective and balanced piece. I've seen worse. There always seem to be sinister overtones in gun related stories in main stream media. You never can really tell if the theme was: 1. These evil guns are available again and lots of folks are buying them up. Now you have to worry about being shot by some soccer mom on the way to the grocery store. 2. These guns aren't so evil after all and a great many are in the hands of men and women that enjoy them for sport shooting. Whichever message comes through is in the eye of the beholder. I tend to think it is #1. The media always seems to imply that the status quo changes with the coming and going of the Brady Bill. They don't seem to recognize that vast numbers of these firearms were still around during the Bill's tenure. In this piece too much is made of pistol grips. True, It was one of the criteria the bill used to define an assault rifle. So what? Almost any rifle that can be fired from the shoulder can be fired from the hip. "Black" rifles? There's a negative connotation if I ever heard one. Oh well, as I said, I've seen worse. Any time NBC puts someone on camera using a firearm responsibly for sport, you gotta see it as a positive. Tony Edited July 21, 2007 by 38superman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 I was surprised to hear the term 'Black Rifle'. Very 'gun raggy' and just odd that we didn't hear Assault Rifle sooner. That said, Deb as always carried herself as a true professional and like most USPSA/IPSC shooters are excellent representatives of our sport. I say this though about the anti-gun lobby and NBC. They have yet again "Jumped The Shark". Polls and political analyses have shown that the American public is not near as stupid as they would like to believe and at a minimum have a better understanding of priorities. The reality that the public has seen and seemingly understand is that the Brady Bill came and went with a silent sunset and the proported crimes and lives saved were less than a blip on the crime charts. Further, with the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, reported (not real) economic issues in the US, upcoming election(s) and so forth, anti-gun legislation is about the last thing on the average citizens' mind. Further proof how at times the media and both sides of the aisle can be out of touch with the average American. Education and not assuming that Joe Citizen is not a mindless idiot is how we will continue to win our various legal battles and hopefully regain some lost rights/priveleges. Moderators: Sorry if this is too political. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SA Friday Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 ya, the media LOVES the term black rifles. Just like they a frikken love affair with the term black talons. Look where that went. Correct it everywhere you hear it. If you let others paint your house, only god knows what the color it will end up being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinistralRifleman Posted July 20, 2007 Author Share Posted July 20, 2007 (edited) The media always seems to imply that the status quo changes with the coming and going of the Brady Bill.They don't seem to recognize that vast numbers of these firearms were still around during the Bill's tenure. The Brady Act is still in effect, requiring background checks on all firearms sales through the NICS system The AWB portion of the 1994 Omnibus crime bill is what is gone. ya, the media LOVES the term black rifles. Just like they a frikken love affair with the term black talons. Look where that went. Correct it everywhere you hear it. If you let others paint your house, only god knows what the color it will end up being. "The Black Rifle" is a term given to the M16 during the 1960s...many enthusiast websites still call it that. AR15.com calls it'self "Home of the Black Rifle. Black Rifle is a much more harmless term than "assault rifle". I don't think "Black Rifle" was used in a slanderous fashion in this piece at all. Edited July 20, 2007 by SinistralRifleman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Buy GE stock, they own NBC. If enough Pro G people owned this stock we could fix the lean angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoMiE Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Debbie did a good job in portraying the sport of it, but the other woman who referred to these "cop killer" rifles was expected. I don't think the media will ever give guns a good view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38superman Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 (edited) The media always seems to imply that the status quo changes with the coming and going of the Brady Bill.They don't seem to recognize that vast numbers of these firearms were still around during the Bill's tenure. The Brady Act is still in effect, requiring background checks on all firearms sales through the NICS system The AWB portion of the 1994 Omnibus crime bill is what is gone. ya, the media LOVES the term black rifles. Just like they a frikken love affair with the term black talons. Look where that went. Correct it everywhere you hear it. If you let others paint your house, only god knows what the color it will end up being. "The Black Rifle" is a term given to the M16 during the 1960s...many enthusiast websites still call it that. AR15.com calls it'self "Home of the Black Rifle. Black Rifle is a much more harmless term than "assault rifle". I don't think "Black Rifle" was used in a slanderous fashion in this piece at all. I stand corrected. Brady Bill AWB Edited July 21, 2007 by 38superman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 Did you notice the story line refered to them as m-16 rifles...no mistake, they always imply they are machine guns. The term assualt rifle is also incorrect and only intended to intimidate ignorant people ...but it has stuck and many people think it is an assualt rifle. In truth assault weapons are selective fire, full or semi. If you tell a lie enough times....it becomes the truth. Deb did a great job... I suspect she had much more to say that was not used. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 I found it less-than-subtle that the reporter-ette mentioned the lack of votes in Congress as the reason they are still legally available. Sounded more than a little bit like a "call to action" ad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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