SV'init Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 I know this may be questionable and I dont want to say anything that could be constued as off topic or illegal in any means.. I am very interested in shooting 3 gun, but with the 10 rd. top loader versions, how does one get into 3 gun in CA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trail3 Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 (edited) You can top load your AR but you will not be competitive. I have see one at a match and it was not a pretty sight. Shooter was frustrated, slow, and it effected his shooting. Never saw him shoot it again. Guys with the SKS and stripper clips were much faster. There are several other ways to shoot 3gun, Ruger Mini 14, stock or and ASI conversion. Kel-Tec SU16 CA. M1A, M1 Carbine. Off List Lower, using the U-15 stock or Monster Man Grip. (see calguns.net) has all the information for the Ca. legal AR. With the U-15, Monster Man Grip or KEL-TEC you can use your pre ban mags that you own. Don't have to top load. And yes, I have tried all the above except the M1A and M1 Carbine. Kel-Tec is ok to 150 yards, gets ugly past that. ASI Mini is very accurate, good mags and mag changes are issue with the Mini's. A few shooters I know are using the U-15 stock and really like it. I plan on going the U-15 and JP upper route. Edited June 28, 2007 by Trail3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chendersby Posted June 30, 2007 Share Posted June 30, 2007 The of list lower thing is a real gray area. I would look at using an M1a and maybe shoot heavy metal or look a some alternative rifles. Volquartzen ia making a 223 autoloader that looks like a big 10-22. Uses AR mags. Not sure if it is in production yet but looks promising. I also saw a Beretta 223 rifle that has promise. No pistol grip and runs on AR mags also. Most of us shooting 3gun in Calif have been doing it since before the ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted June 30, 2007 Share Posted June 30, 2007 Like Chris, most of us have just been doing it for a while. That said, if given the current situation, what I'd do is go with a Mini-14. Mark Turrin, a buddy at Richmond uses one very successfully and it's pretty sweet. GM Charlie Granger made an extended mag release for his that you thumb and it's pretty fast too. Just comes down to mags. After that M1A or Mini-30 would be the way to go. As stated, the off list lower is a mild gray area. It's totally legal, but understand you're at the whim of local LE and while you're in the legal right, it's just not a fun fight to face sometimes. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanM Posted June 30, 2007 Share Posted June 30, 2007 When I lived in Cali, I bought an off-list lower. It's a grey area and you're stuck top loading. I said screw it and moved to Washington. If I stayed in CA, I'd look at a Kel-Tec or Mini-14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksh8me Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 A couple of clubs in So Cal area are adding a California class. 10 round pistol, 10 round rifle and a 6 and 1 shotgun pump or auto. Shoot the same match but scored against like firearms. Palm Springs is going to hold a basic 3 gun class to get people that haven't shot 3 gun or haven't shot it for awhile to see what it's all about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elenius Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 I asked about the same thing a while ago, lots of good discussion in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 +2 to getting the Keltec. It uses AR mags and can actually hit MGM flasher targes at 200+ yards in iron sight config. Good starting point IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.carden Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 The of list lower thing is a real gray area. I would look at using an M1a and maybe shoot heavy metal or look a some alternative rifles. Volquartzen ia making a 223 autoloader that looks like a big 10-22. Uses AR mags. Not sure if it is in production yet but looks promising. I also saw a Beretta 223 rifle that has promise. No pistol grip and runs on AR mags also. Most of us shooting 3gun in Calif have been doing it since before the ban. I spoke with Volquartzen recently................If you ordered one now, you might have it in a "year".. Nice rifle too...!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gose Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 The monsterman grip is the way to go. I was a bit worried that the weight of the 18" JP upper would make the rifle hard to handle without a pistolgrip, but I've shot a couple of matches with it now and it seems to work just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 That Beretta CX4 rifle might be a contender too. I think it still uses AR mags too. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elenius Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 That Beretta CX4 rifle might be a contender too. I think it still uses AR mags too. Rich I think you mean Rx4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 I'm lucky that I got the X in there. Never have nor will own anything Beretta ('cept maybe an Extrema 2). Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cave_canem Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 I am looking at getting into shooting 3 gun and will be going with the Mini-14... I found this thread while doing a search. I will talk to Charlie about the extended mag release, but can you tell me what the ASI conversion is. I am not familiar with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 http://www.accuracysystemsinc.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 I am looking at getting into shooting 3 gun and will be going with the Mini-14... I found this thread while doing a search. I will talk to Charlie about the extended mag release, but can you tell me what the ASI conversion is. I am not familiar with that. PM "sargenv" on the forums here. He'll give you a lot of info too on the ASI conversions. I believe he has one. Too, he's a Mini-14 guy as well. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 I am looking at getting into shooting 3 gun and will be going with the Mini-14... I found this thread while doing a search. I will talk to Charlie about the extended mag release, but can you tell me what the ASI conversion is. I am not familiar with that. I've been been down this road. Where the Mini14 can be made to be competitive, you can do as well for less with an AR. IMHO, a CA compliant AR15 is a much better way to go. The only issue would be magazines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trail3 Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 I have an ASI Mini 14, great rifle, mine is # 51 on their package choice. Got it before all the off list lower started. Can hit an eight inch plate at 355 yards. I would go with the OLL. Mag changes are faster and mags of better quality are available. AR platform is much easier to change options. I now have a U-15 stock, DPMS hi rise with JP 18" mid weight barrel, JP adjustable gas block, Cooley brake, JP trigger. With the U-15 stock I can use all my preban mags. Great gun also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 So, for in state guys it sucks, but how does an out of stater come shoot a California 3-gun match, with his own "leagal else" where pistol and rifle? This question has kept me from traveling to the "golden State for any kind of shooting event. KurtM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outerlimits Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 So, for in state guys it sucks, but how does an out of stater come shoot a California 3-gun match, with his own "leagal else" where pistol and rifle? This question has kept me from traveling to the "golden State for any kind of shooting event. KurtM c'mon and play, kurt...but i believe you gotta use our mags... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidwiz Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 This is the NRA's primer on California's gun laws (including AWs): http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/CASL.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 Kurt, Basically if you leave with what you came with then you're good. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GIO Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 Not to turn this political but....get out and vote, join the NRA and be vocal or we all might be figuring out how to be competitive in the new Airsoft competitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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