BDH Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 In no way am I trying to start any kind of a sexist discussion, but... I have had the pleasure of working stages with several women RO's, and I could swear that the competitors respond differently to them than to the male RO's... Is this just my perception, or is there something to this??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 I think I always behave better around women than men (timer or not). It's how I was raised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikiDale Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 So far I have not had the pleasure. However, should a female RO ask me if I have any questions before she issues the LAMR command I suppose I could come up with a different answer.... "Does this belt make me look fat?" "What are you doing after the match?" Okay, I'll be good. There should of course be no difference. I'm surprised you have noticed one Brian. Care to elucidate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDH Posted May 23, 2007 Author Share Posted May 23, 2007 Okay, I'll be good. There should of course be no difference. I'm surprised you have noticed one Brian. Care to elucidate? You are 110% correct... there 'should' be no difference. It might be me, but it seems that calls like 'alpha or charlie' are not scrunized as closely (maybe women have better vision ), and application of procedural penalties does not get challenged as much. I would hate to think that there is a difference, but I have a few years of this under my belt, and it sure seems that there is. Maybe it is what Mark said... we behave better in front of women... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidball Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 (edited) I suspect that women ROs are treated differently by male shooters at the same rate that women anywhere, in any official capacity, are treated differently by males. That's not how it should be, just how it actually is. Edited May 24, 2007 by davidball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter Grrl Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 I don't think it's a women vs men type of issue. What I've noticed appears to be based on familiarity. The "usual suspect RO's" have been out there FOREVER! I've seen Brian at every major match I've attended since I started shooting in 1997! I know I can razz, tease and generally be a jerk to him without fear. I've RO'ed at Area 6 three times and the nationals twice. The shooters don't know *yet* what they can get away with when I'm on the clock. Capiche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 (edited) On this side of the pond (that you'll be visiting quite soon, I understand) I've attended local and international (foreign) matches where a fair percentage of the ROs were/are females, and I can report that (to my knowledge) competitors have absolutely no different attitude towards male or female ROs. I might add that, in general, female ROs are a tad more meticulous that their male counterparts, maybe because they feel more under scrutiny. In Cheval-Blanc I'll have you meeting my teammate and IROA RO Silvia ... Edited May 24, 2007 by Skywalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pskys2 Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 The only lady RO I have had almost DQ'd me back in the late '80's. She was no easy mark. She was also the Great Plains SC. I think, by and large FWIW, that male shooters want to live by the code of the old west. We treat women with respect, and so far all I have ever met deserve no less. And that's a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 You are 110% correct... there 'should' be no difference. I disagree. I call the male ROs "sir". I call the female ROs "ma'am"... Other than that, though.... IME, the ladies tend to be tougher cookies than the guys - and usually a lot less grouchy during the match. In either case, both generally respond well to a kind word, and genuine thanks.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toowide Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 You are 110% correct... there 'should' be no difference. I disagree. I call the male ROs "sir". I call the female ROs "ma'am"... Other than that, though.... IME, the ladies tend to be tougher cookies than the guys - and usually a lot less grouchy during the match. In either case, both generally respond well to a kind word, and genuine thanks.... +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L9X25 Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 I think it is more difficult for a man to snivel and whine about a call to a female RO. You feel as if you have a "Gender responsibility" to act manly and honorable, while we have no such requirement with male RO's. We whine, beg, cry, whatever it takes to get us the double! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driver8M3 Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 brian, for your next study, i propose that you study how male ROs treat female shooters vs. male shooters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 I know that I would smile at Kathy well before I would smile at Brian... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 Now that I think about it, the first stage I ever shot was RO'd by a woman (GAPEACH, here on the forums). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDH Posted May 24, 2007 Author Share Posted May 24, 2007 (edited) for your next study, i propose that you study how male ROs treat female shooters vs. male shooters. You're right, that is a completely different question. However, it 'should' be the same... The reason I originally asked the question about female RO's is I have had the pleasure of working with female RO's at Nationals the last two seasons (and get to repeat it again in Missoula this year), and I'm telling you, the competitors respond differently to them. If there is an Alpha Mike call, I don't think I've ever heard anyone ask them for an overlay to find the perfect double. Also, I remember a 'creeping' call made by one of them, and the competitor did not even comment (it was the correct call, but no whining, etc)!! I'm thinking about showing up in Missoula in high heels, a short skirt, and a wig to see if my theory holds true!! Edited May 24, 2007 by BDH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 I'm thinking about showing up in Missoula in high heels, a short skirt, and a wig to see if my theory holds true!! Oh, man... I'm definitely bringing my camera, now!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPatterson Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 That will fit right in with a fellow CRO and his funny hats. This month was rabbit ears before that was a multicolored clown wig or he dyed his hair I am not sure which. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Norman Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 I'm thinking about showing up in Missoula in high heels, a short skirt, and a wig to see if my theory holds true!! I am getting really really scared. There are certain things that should not be talked about. There are some pictures that I really DO NOT WANT TO SEE. And I am not sure if a camera is made that can withstand tha taking of! Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driver8M3 Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 I'm thinking about showing up in Missoula in high heels, a short skirt, and a wig to see if my theory holds true!! i predict everyone will treat you differently... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 I'm thinking about showing up in Missoula in high heels, a short skirt, and a wig to see if my theory holds true!! i predict everyone will treat you differently... As long as he's getting free drinks and dinner, he won't mind. (Flowers would be nice, though ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mactiger Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 Uh, Brian, about that acceptance letter..... Troy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikiDale Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 Uh, Brian, about that acceptance letter.....Troy Now Troy, is it the high heels or the wig that bothers you? Couldn't be the skirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDH Posted May 24, 2007 Author Share Posted May 24, 2007 Uh, Brian, about that acceptance letter..... Just kidding Troy! But how about if I show up in my Utilikilt? Heck, the Workman's model has plenty of handy pockets for things like timer, pasters, overlays, pens, etc. And as their website says... We Sell Freedom!! The IPSC IROA has a uniform, so maybe it's time for USPSA NROI??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mactiger Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 Uh, Brian, about that acceptance letter.....Troy Now Troy, is it the high heels or the wig that bothers you? Couldn't be the skirt. Kilt, man, Kilt! And yeah, the high heels and wig---ewwww. Troy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mactiger Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 Uh, Brian, about that acceptance letter..... Just kidding Troy! But how about if I show up in my Utilikilt? Heck, the Workman's model has plenty of handy pockets for things like timer, pasters, overlays, pens, etc. And as their website says... We Sell Freedom!! The IPSC IROA has a uniform, so maybe it's time for USPSA NROI??? Kilt OK. High heels and wig are definitely not part of the uniform. You are scaring me, man. Troy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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