penman53 Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 I just bought a 45 acp and want to shoot single stack with it. Anyone have a recipie for 200 grain bullets. I am currently shooting 40 cal 180 grain bullets with Tite Group powder. Thanks, Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 4.3 of Clays with a 200 SWC Precision Black Bullet. Length determined by the shoulder - just a fingernail thickness past/outside the brass. With the Precision Black Bullet 200 flat point AOL about 1.235 works for me. Start a little low and work up. Careful and don't put your eye out ..etc..etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Capizzo Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 I can second Merlin's load. I like Clays and I like the Precision bullets. I'm currently shooting Clays and Precision 230's, but I've shot a BUNCH of the 200's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD45 Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 I used to shoot Titegroup and a 200gr. SWC. I've since switched to Clays and the 230gr. cast RN. From what I know about TG, I would take Merlins advice and try Clays with the 200s. I believe he's known to have shot a couple of boxes of ammo through a single-stack . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruready Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 4.3 of Clays with a 200 SWC Precision Black Bullet. Length determined by the shoulder - just a fingernail thickness past/outside the brass. With the Precision Black Bullet 200 flat point AOL about 1.235 works for me. Start a little low and work up. Careful and don't put your eye out ..etc..etc.. I too like the clays 4.2 behind a 200gr plated and I wish it could be a little cleaner. The Titegroup characteristic is more like your .40 which is a snap compared to a push from clays. Merlin, thanks for tip. I have Precision bullets on the way and will try your recipe. Any chance you have chrono'ed your load? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 (edited) Tony Larry and I ran the PBB 200 SWC with the above charge over the chrono a while back and I do remember it made major +4 or 5. Don't remember the exact FPS.. Edited February 22, 2007 by Merlin Orr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
get2now Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 I load 5.4 gr. of W231 with a Montana Gold 200 gr. JFP. Maybe not the softest load but I had a lot of 231. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCK Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Why the 200 grainers and not 230? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Hello: The 230 grain bullets give you a slower push on your hand while the 200 grain have more of a quick snap. I started with the 230 grain but soon found the 200 grain was faster for me to shoot. I found the slide with the 230 grain was slow. I use Precision 200 RNFP with 4.5 grains of Tite Group. Hope this helps. Thanks Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEADEYE Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 (edited) would 185's be of any advantage in the 45acp????? Edited February 22, 2007 by DEADEYE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenpo Joe Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 I've been using 4.8gr of Titegroup for years with the Bear Creek 200gr SWC Springer 45. Never had a problem and it shoots clean. Back on mute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 My old load was a 200 grn TMJ'd SWC (from westcoast) at 1.245" over 4.5 grns of straight clays. Also used their 185 grn TC - don't recall how much straight clays I had to use. I like the speed of the slide w/ 185 and 200s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptrickamp222 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 I just bought a 45 acp and want to shoot single stack with it. Anyone have a recipie for 200 grain bullets. I am currently shooting 40 cal 180 grain bullets with Tite Group powder.Thanks, Mark Practice load of 4.0 Clays / 200gr LSWC BearCreek / Springer 45acp with Nowlin barrel. Have not Chrono these yet, but have Chrono the same load with Penn 200 gr H & G LSWC at 803fps ave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 The 185 grain load i liked was the 185 berrys flat point over a max charge of titegroup...its over the 165 power factor, but shoots great Harmon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclez Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 (edited) If someone loaded the same type 200gn bullet using the same type powder, loaded to reach the same velocity as a 230gn bullet of say 800fps, what would be the percieved recoil effect between the two? ETA: I know the 200gn should feel more snappy but is there really that much of a difference? Zack Edited March 9, 2007 by unclez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD45 Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 As far as loading for competition goes, we are talking about two different things. In the case that you describe, the 200gr. will kick less, snappy or not. When competitors say that the 200gr. load feels snappier they are speaking of equal power factor loads. To make 165PF with a 230gr. you need at least 718fps. But to do the same with a 200gr. you need over 825fps. That's why the 200gr. has more snap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclez Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 As far as loading for competition goes, we are talking about two different things.In the case that you describe, the 200gr. will kick less, snappy or not. When competitors say that the 200gr. load feels snappier they are speaking of equal power factor loads. To make 165PF with a 230gr. you need at least 718fps. But to do the same with a 200gr. you need over 825fps. That's why the 200gr. has more snap. Yea, but I'm talking about leaving power factor out of the equation. If someone loads a 200gn bullet for example with 3.8gn of xx powder and a 230gn bullet with 3.8gn of xx powder using the same oal in both and shot out of the same gun, what percieved recoil will the shooter feel with each bullet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
open17 Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 Titegroup will work with the 200's . Load will be somewhere in the 4.8-5.0 gr. area. Start around 4.6 and chrono. 200's will be a little snappier than 230's. Some like that, some don't. I prefer 230's myself. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreblePlink Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 The heavier bullet will generally produce more power factor and more recoil with the same amount of powder, all other things being equal. Since its pretty obvious that more power factor equals more recoil, the comparisons you will hear about generally assume an "apples to apples" power factor. In my experience, depending upon the speed of the powder, when switching between 200 and 230, to get the same power factor, somewhere between .2 and .6 grains less powder is required. Yea, but I'm talking about leaving power factor out of the equation. If someone loads a 200gn bullet for example with 3.8gn of xx powder and a 230gn bullet with 3.8gn of xx powder using the same oal in both and shot out of the same gun, what percieved recoil will the shooter feel with each bullet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 As far as loading for competition goes, we are talking about two different things. In the case that you describe, the 200gr. will kick less, snappy or not. When competitors say that the 200gr. load feels snappier they are speaking of equal power factor loads. To make 165PF with a 230gr. you need at least 718fps. But to do the same with a 200gr. you need over 825fps. That's why the 200gr. has more snap. Yea, but I'm talking about leaving power factor out of the equation. If someone loads a 200gn bullet for example with 3.8gn of xx powder and a 230gn bullet with 3.8gn of xx powder using the same oal in both and shot out of the same gun, what percieved recoil will the shooter feel with each bullet? This reminds me of the 3 blind men trying to describe the elephant fable......"Perceived" is subjective. Get thee some sample bullets and roll your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkeeler Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 4.0 Clays and 230 gr Berry's. bk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
granderojo Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 +4 or howmany? 200swc precisionbullets.com over 4.4 g of tightgroup makes 840-850fps out of 5'' 1911. Have sent many into backstops. Dave is good guy to do business with. Check bulk shipping . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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