billdncn Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 I've been using Zero bullets from Angus with good results in my 40. Getting ready to start for my 1911 9mm now. I'm torn between the 124 & 147 gr. HP's I would prefer to stay with Titegroup, but I do have some 231, and Bullseye. Looking for around 130PF Any comments on either of these two bullets from Zero? Your loads with TG? Thanks, Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rising Sight Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 I run 124gr HPs with 4.3gr of TG. That puts me just over 130 with my 5" XD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billdncn Posted November 12, 2006 Author Share Posted November 12, 2006 I run 124gr HPs with 4.3gr of TG. That puts me just over 130 with my 5" XD. Got it down. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allgoodhits Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 I've been using Zero bullets from Angus with good results in my 40. Getting ready to start for my 1911 9mm now. I'm torn between the 124 & 147 gr. HP'sI would prefer to stay with Titegroup, but I do have some 231, and Bullseye. Looking for around 130PF Any comments on either of these two bullets from Zero? Your loads with TG? Thanks, Bill Didn't know ZERO made a 124 HP. Their 125gr JHP .355 or .356 and the 147gr JHP are excellent bullets for the money. Sierra 115 and 125 JHP both .355 are better, but at a huge price variation which probably isn't worth it for any USPSA or IDPA game or other game at 25 yards or less. Hornady "HAP" 121gr and 125gr JHP bullets both .356 are just a tad more $ than ZERO, yet only a tad less accurate than the Sierras. ZERO's about .06 each, Hornady about .07 each and Sierra about .10+ each. Shop around. Try' em all see what you and your gun like. Price and availabilty are always a consideration. You can't go wrong with Titegroup or W231, never used BE in 9mm, but should be good in any straight wall case moderate to light handgun load. Be safe, MJ p.s. The Hornady's are prettiest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billdncn Posted November 12, 2006 Author Share Posted November 12, 2006 Didn't know ZERO made a 124 HP.Their 125gr JHP .355 or .356 and the 147gr JHP are excellent bullets for the money. Sierra 115 and 125 JHP both .355 are better, but at a huge price variation which probably isn't worth it for any USPSA or IDPA game or other game at 25 yards or less. Hornady "HAP" 121gr and 125gr JHP bullets both .356 are just a tad more $ than ZERO, yet only a tad less accurate than the Sierras. ZERO's about .06 each, Hornady about .07 each and Sierra about .10+ each. Shop around. Try' em all see what you and your gun like. Price and availabilty are always a consideration. You can't go wrong with Titegroup or W231, never used BE in 9mm, but should be good in any straight wall case moderate to light handgun load. Be safe, MJ p.s. The Hornady's are prettiest Your right. It's a 125gr HP, there FMJ is 124. I've also heard a lot of good about the HAP. Sierra is really good stuff, and your right.....More then I want to pay Guess I'll try a thou. of the 125's. I'm sure they'll do great Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2ipsc Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 ...Getting ready to start for my 1911 9mm now... 3.1 to 3.2 gr of N320 under a 147 MT Gold is a sweet, accurate, soft-shooting load in a 9... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJE Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 I've been using Zero bullets from Angus with good results in my 40. Getting ready to start for my 1911 9mm now. I'm torn between the 124 & 147 gr. HP'sI would prefer to stay with Titegroup, but I do have some 231, and Bullseye. Looking for around 130PF Any comments on either of these two bullets from Zero? Your loads with TG? Thanks, Bill Winchester 231 shoots a little softer than the Titegroup load, but HX-6 is my favorite. In a G-34 I use MG 124 JHP and 4.1 of Titefroup. The HS-6 load I use is 5.5 grains w/MG 124 JHP. This is a really sweet shooting load. OAL in all the above loads is 1.1 to 1.15 Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 3.4 grians TG 147 grain FMJ at 1.150 shoots super soft in the g34 with plenty of room to spare at the chrono. 4.0 grians TG with a 125 gest about 1030 fps in the g34 Harmon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpty1 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 I can't help you with load data, but I can tell you I've shot the Zero 125 gr JHP exclusively in my 9mm open guns at around a 170 PF. I've had no problems or complaints whatsoever in their performance. Have fired probably 40,000 rounds or so in the last three years. A good bullet for the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billdncn Posted November 13, 2006 Author Share Posted November 13, 2006 Thanks for the info guys! Looks like Zero's 125HP over 4.0/4.1 grs of TG is a good starting point. I was wanting to be around 1050. I think it'll be close. Hodgon list 1069fps with this as there starting load for a 125gr FMJ. Anybody have suggestions for an OAL in a 1911. Thanks again Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe D Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 1911s are a whole different animal. It really boils down to what length your gun will feed. I used 38 Super 10 round mags when I had a 9mm. Those pesky little tapered cases can be a real pain. I am a little suprised folks need as much Titegroup as they have stated. They must be loading really long. My wife's G34 makes PF with 3.0 gr and a 147 plated bullet OAL is 1.135". Her practice load is a 125 gr lead Valiant bullet with 3.5 gr. Load goes 1060 fps. The 147 gr bullets are much softer shooting than the 115-125 gr bullets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 I just tried some titegroup with a bunch of Ranier Ballistics 121 FMJ round nose that I got from an open shooter with 4.0 grains, OAL of 1.11 and crimp at .364 that just chrono'd at 130.9 PF. Interesting thing is that the bullet was supposed to be a .356 but many of them are measuring at .357. I picked them up from the open shooter who was trying to make them work with a 38 super load but could not get the accuracy with his barrel in his gun. I had originally planned to make it work with my 38 super 1911 single stack as a friend who almost bought these bullets also measured them at .357. They seem to shoot accurately out of CZ 75 SP-01 at 25 yds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allgoodhits Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 I just tried some titegroup with a bunch of Ranier Ballistics 121 FMJ round nose that I got from an open shooter with 4.0 grains, OAL of 1.11 and crimp at .364 that just chrono'd at 130.9 PF. Interesting thing is that the bullet was supposed to be a .356 but many of them are measuring at .357. I picked them up from the open shooter who was trying to make them work with a 38 super load but could not get the accuracy with his barrel in his gun. I had originally planned to make it work with my 38 super 1911 single stack as a friend who almost bought these bullets also measured them at .357. They seem to shoot accurately out of CZ 75 SP-01 at 25 yds. I would think crimping to .364 would negatively effect accuracy. The bullet is .355 and each side of case wall thichness is at least .011 and probably .012. Mathematically simple math yields .355 + .011 + .011 = .377 I typically have a seated and crimped bullet at .379 - .380 At .364 you would have to be crushing the bullet. MJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcs Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 I just tried some titegroup with a bunch of Ranier Ballistics 121 FMJ round nose that I got from an open shooter with 4.0 grains, OAL of 1.11 and crimp at .364 that just chrono\\\'d at 130.9 PF. Interesting thing is that the bullet was supposed to be a .356 but many of them are measuring at .357. I picked them up from the open shooter who was trying to make them work with a 38 super load but could not get the accuracy with his barrel in his gun. I had originally planned to make it work with my 38 super 1911 single stack as a friend who almost bought these bullets also measured them at .357. They seem to shoot accurately out of CZ 75 SP-01 at 25 yds. I would think crimping to .364 would negatively effect accuracy. The bullet is .355 and each side of case wall thichness is at least .011 and probably .012. Mathematically simple math yields .355 + .011 + .011 = .377 I typically have a seated and crimped bullet at .379 - .380 At .364 you would have to be crushing the bullet. MJ +1 on the crimp. The experts have told me .378 to .380 for 9MM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billdncn Posted November 16, 2006 Author Share Posted November 16, 2006 I am a little suprised folks need as much Titegroup as they have stated. They must be loading really long. My wife's G34 makes PF with 3.0 gr and a 147 plated bullet OAL is 1.135". Her practice load is a 125 gr lead Valiant bullet with 3.5 gr. Load goes 1060 fps.The 147 gr bullets are much softer shooting than the 115-125 gr bullets. Correct me if I'm wrong but, Jacketed bullets need a little more powder to reach the same vel. as Lead. Probably more then Plated too. From what I've read/heard a lot of people do load to a longer OAL in the 1911. I think for more reliable feeding? Also less bullet jump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougCarden Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Try loading some bullets out to 1.120, depending on the bullet style. You will need at least .02 more grains of powder for jacketed vs. lead bullets as well. Good luck! DougC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayC Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Doug C, nice to see you running for our state, hope you get it. Back on topic now Doug, what do you think about Titegroup vs N320 under a 124 or 147g Zero bullet. I've done searches, but have come to no conclusions for myself. I see that N320 is rated as a slower powder on a couple different burn rate charts that I've checked. I've always tried to stay with faster burning powders. I've been wanting to try it, but hate to buy a pound of N320 and then not use it. Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougCarden Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Thanks Jay, we will see what happens! Now, I load 2.9 TG with a 147lfp at 1.110 oal...really like it and it is accurate, but it is dirty. If I didnt have another 8lber and got 8k of the bullets for a song, I wouldnt be shooting it, I would load W231. For matches and falling steel matches, I load 147 jacketed bullets loaded to 1.130 with 3.1gr of VV310. Chronos 131-134 in my guns and extremely accurate at 25yds in my guns. 320 is great in major .40......but I like 310 in the 147gr loadings and havent had any problems in over 10K the last two years.....My .02 $...... Good luck, DougC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvb Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 (edited) I'm running 3.3gr TG under Zero 147gr jhps at 1.150 oal. Makes 131 pf. Not quite as soft shooting as VVN310/320, but pretty close. TG meters great, too. Averaging 10 throws I get 3.29 to 3.31 at the extremes, often it's right at 3.30; the standard deviation over the chrono is great. Have had no problem w/ zero bullets, except that I seem to always need more of them.... rvb Edited November 17, 2006 by rvb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayC Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Thanks Doug. Sounds like it's going to be back to n310. I've played with it in the past and like it. I just have some 124g to finish shooting up so I had thought about N320, but I've still got a little over a pound of Titegroup to finish too. I guess the 124's and Tite will make a nice pair until they are gone. I was loading 147's with Tite and just didn't like the way it felt. It made my gun run sluggish, and I had to fight the sights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billdncn Posted November 23, 2006 Author Share Posted November 23, 2006 Thanks to all! I settled on 4.2 grs. of Titegroup under a Zero 125 gr. JHP from Angus. Using Win. cases, and Fed 100 primers. Went to the range yesterday......42deg., rain, and real windy Sighting in at 25 the 1st five went into about 2" . Oh yeah, this was offhand. Before I left I went to the 15yd. line, and shot these rapidfire. I had my timer but didn't pull it out so I don't know what my splits were, but they were pretty quick.....For me anyway (the black is 2-3/4") Steel Match tomorrow, and IDPA Sunday. Life is good right now Thanks again for the help, Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigdawg Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 Steel match on Friday, 3 gun match on saturday, IDPA match on Sunday... and I'm stuck working 7 12 hour night shifts in a row and can't make any of them..... ARGGGGGGGGGG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billdncn Posted November 24, 2006 Author Share Posted November 24, 2006 Steel match on Friday, 3 gun match on saturday, IDPA match on Sunday... and I'm stuck working 7 12 hour night shifts in a row and can't make any of them..... ARGGGGGGGGGG Sorry to hear that. Not a good week for ya huh? I hope to make a Monday night again sometime soon. Happy Turkeyday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 (edited) All these are with Berry's Plated 147 RN Bullets seated at an OAL of 1.42" Crimped at .380. Tightgroup powder. Weight Velocity SD ES Power Factor 15yd 10shot Group average 3.2 874 11 34 128.5 3.8" 3.4 917 8.4 26 134.7 4.4" 3.6 Chrono died 4.1" WSF Powder 15yd 5shot best 3 shots 3.7 885 8.9 29 130.1 4.1" 1.85 3.9 915.8 16 47 134.6 3.31" 1.27 4.1 940.7 14.5 35 138.2 3.37" 1.64 231 powder 3.3 NO Chrono data 2.95" .875" 3.4 853.7 15.2 47 125.4 2.79" 1.41" 3.5 873.1 10.1 23 128.3 2.58" 1.0" 3.6 876.4 10.6 34 128.8 2.0 " .729" Overall my M&P out shot my Springfield 1911 9mm today, seems the M&P is more accurate out the box than the springer. Best load today was 3.6 of 231 for the M&P, I will experiment later with a tighter crimp, and maybe different OAL, but it seemed to really like 231. Also CCI 115gr blazers shot better too with a velocity of 1121fps SD was 12.5 ES was 37 PF was 128.9 group at 15 yds was 1.3" Edited December 3, 2006 by Darrell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allgoodhits Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 (edited) Darrell, WW231 is an excellent light medium load powder. No surprise that it gives good results for you. Are you really loading 9mm (9X19) to 1.42" OAL ? This may be of interest to you as well.... Recoil Calculator Be Safe, Martin Edited December 3, 2006 by Allgoodhits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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