ATMester Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Out of curiosity... What would be an acceptable time for the Bill Drill WITH .45 cal 230 gr service type ammo (kicks like a mule) and a bone stock (16 lbs recoil spring etc.) single stack 1911. I could not push my splits under .22 sec today and my draws sucked too with the "business gun" I guess I was kinda scared. [Yes I did use the search function but I still had to post this...mainly because all the info is based on race set ups.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerwas Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 (edited) With skilled hands (pretty much any of the GM's) ? 3 seconds or less would be my guess. It's the little things that cut down on time; reacting to the timer, etc... much more so than simply dealing with full power ammo. I locked in stance and grip (and raw strength) make a big difference when dealing with full power ammunition. Edited July 7, 2006 by TRP-Professional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Acceptable time would be under 2.0 seconds. Same as with any other gun/ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 What Flex said. I found out my loads for the .40 are running 179 PF after rebareling my .40's. I ran some the other day with my single stack .40 179 pf ammo and el cheapo Uncle Mike holster and all A's repeatable were 2 sec -/+ .2 I ran it with 168 pf ammo also and he times were almost identical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackdragon Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Under 2.0 Seconds. I have done it with our factory ammo ( 190PF) and our factory Rock Island. Ivan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin40 Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 (edited) Out of curiosity...What would be an acceptable time for the Bill Drill WITH .45 cal 230 gr service type ammo (kicks like a mule) and a bone stock (16 lbs recoil spring etc.) single stack 1911. I could not push my splits under .22 sec today and my draws sucked too with the "business gun" I guess I was kinda scared. [Yes I did use the search function but I still had to post this...mainly because all the info is based on race set ups.] This should give you a little hint. This is no race gun but a "business gun" is there is such a thing . If your already intimidated by the recoil before you ever shoot there is a problem. Just take 5 or 6 full clips and burn them into the berm. Don't even aim at anything, just burn them off as fast as you can. Just notice what the gun does, how it recoils, what the sights do. You should find the thing doesn't really kick all that much. Smokin 45 Flyin40 Edited July 8, 2006 by Flyin40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 There's a moral to the story on where to save time on a Bill Drill. The answer is located on the front of your timer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusher Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Bill Drill...again, FULL POWER SERVICE TYPE AMMO - NO RACE GUN Hehehe, when I first started shooting USPSA it was with a "buisness gun and factory hardball out of a leather holster with leather mag pouches (4)" and 2 seconds was a reasonable time. But that was the tail end of the "Weaver" days now I would imagine a sub 2 sec run is reasonable with the same. That's "Seein" all of em too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 did it Monday with 230 ball and cleaned it in 2.2, 2.4, 1.99, 2.22, and down 2 in 1.90 Not a GM time, but ok for me.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Since the original poster didn't day anything about a holster type, I have to mention the 1.36 s Bill Drill TGO did with a Factory Ball ammo. I think the gun was either a Commander or a Long slide though. No plain Jane 1911. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen_grasshopper Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 (edited) Using my duty rig, which is a Kimber Custom Classic, a Safariland 6285 and Black Hills 230gr FMJ. I can run 2 seconds easy. With the same weapon and ammo and the holster changing to a Kytac SooperHooper usually 1.85 seconds. Jon Edited July 30, 2006 by zen_grasshopper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 In the mid-80's, while practicing for the SOF match, I remember running some clean 1.8x's with 190+ PF 230's out of a SOF legal holster. be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curmudgeon Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 the Bill drill puts an emphisis on form, if your grip, stance, and sight aquisition are not correct your groups will open as you shoot more rounds and your time will suffer as you try to correct for it. watch the Video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4...%3Atodd+jarrett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moneypenny Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 I cant' watch the video.... dialup. :-P holster doesn't matter, i can draw within a tenth from my IWB carry gun as my OWB IDPA holster as my USPSA dropped and offset and my safariland 012. what the race holster gives you is a more consistant grip and comfortable draw. I don't mean to attack you. but "business gun" means it's carried a lot and never shot. I shoot production class. i can run bill drills in the 1.7-8 range regularly when warmed up.. 1.85 cold with a double action first shot. That's with my 9mm. a couple thousand rounds of timing and i can do the same with my 45 or any other pistol i pick up. Timing takes me a while as does trigger feel for some reason. recoil is like falling down. Stop thinking about falling down and start thinking about getting up. Splits are huge on bill drills as is the draw. what was your draw time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigj45 Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 I shot a 1.77 but dropped 2 points in an IDPA match last Saturday using a single stack .45 with 170+ PF ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chills1994 Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 I am wondering about the first person view segment of Todd Jarret's video that curmudgeon posted above. I don't think it was a hoser cam that took that footage. It looked more centered and more like on top looking down on the gun. Anyone here know what camera setup that was? Thanks! Pardon the thread drift, I couldn't tell you anything about my Bill Drills, I don't practice them often enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curmudgeon Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 My curiosity is peaked. we'd have to compare apples to apples , similar guns and holsters etc to get a good answer to the original question. I'm thinking of getting some shooters at my club to try it. and see what a good time would be with an IDPA type rig Just a thought, should the real point be to compete with ones self, and look for ways to refine your form? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 Just a thought, should the real point be to compete with ones self, and look for ways to refine your form? What's the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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