P320 Icarus “magwell” in Carry Optics?

[nitrohuck]

Has anyone checked out the Icarus ACE Pro Competition grip?

 

by design it flares slightly at the mag opening, I’m wondering if USPS would consider that a true “magwell” and thus negate it from Carry Optics use…

 

I just received their P365 ACE EVO which is essentially the same grip shrunk down to 365xl size, and i love it. The first thing I thought was “I wish I could have a bigger version for my P320 Max”, but they don’t seem to make it without that mag flare sadly. 
 

also just noticed it’s 4oz lighter than the TXG grip module, so I guess that’s another slight drawback. wishing they’d start making some stainless p320 grips

Edited December 13, 2022 by nitrohuck

[echotango]

Not legal in USPSA CO. 

[nitrohuck]

I just emailed Icarus to see if they have toyed with the idea of making a Stainless grip that would CO legal at all. Would be great to see a detachable magwell so it could be used for Open/CO  

Edited December 13, 2022 by nitrohuck

[Johnny_Chimpo]

8 hours ago, echotango said:

Not legal in USPSA CO. 

 

Is this one legal?  How much external flare is too much?

 

[nitrohuck]

Just now, Johnny_Chimpo said:

 

Is this one legal?  How much external flare is too much?

 

If I’m not mistaken, ANY external flaring of the magwell is going to make it non-compliant for CO 

 

im curious to see if they respond to my inquiry. I’ve got to imagine with all of their testing they do with LEO, SOF members (and I think even competition shooters) that someone has kicked the idea around of making a stainless grip. 
 

they would corner the non existent market at this point for P320 grips since no one makes any stainless ones. 

[echotango]

44 minutes ago, Johnny_Chimpo said:

 

Is this one legal?  How much external flare is too much?

 

Nope.

[echotango]

6 hours ago, nitrohuck said:

I just emailed Icarus to see if they have toyed with the idea of making a Stainless grip that would CO legal at all. Would be great to see a detachable magwell so it could be used for Open/CO  

Good luck.  Look at how much a 2011 steel grip costs.  The weight diff to a TXG would not make it worth the $.  And the qty they would sell. 

[nitrohuck]

13 minutes ago, echotango said:

Good luck.  Look at how much a 2011 steel grip costs.  The weight diff to a TXG would not make it worth the $.  And the qty they would sell. 

I see what you mean, I paid $850+ for my SVI 2011 SS grip, but it also was a night and day difference for gun performance. That said, you also make a good point that the TXG grip is already decently heavy unlike a 2011 polymer grip. Also grips are cheaper and more prevalent now in the $550-650 range
 

The TXG grip is 13.3oz, and a Phoenix SS 2011 grip is 12.9oz… however there is considerably less material on a 2011 grip than a full p320 grip given that the p320 module includes the equivalent of a lower receiver and pic rail/dust cover, whereas a 2011 grip stops w the trigger guard. 

id be curious to know what the full weight of a p320 module would be if made from SS. I’d wager 17oz easily 
 

 

 

Edited December 13, 2022 by nitrohuck

[echotango]

3 minutes ago, nitrohuck said:

I see what you mean, I paid $850+ for my SVI 2011 SS grip, but it also was a night and day difference for gun performance. That said, you also make a good point that the TXG grip is already decently heavy unlike a 2011 polymer grip. Also grips are cheaper and more prevalent now in the $550-650 range
 

The TXG grip is 13.3oz, and a Phoenix SS 2011 grip is 12.9oz… however there is considerably less material on a 2011 grip than a full p320 grip given that the p320 module includes the equivalent of a lower receiver and pic rail/dust cover, whereas a 2011 grip stops w the trigger guard. 

id be curious to know what the full weight of a p320 module would be if made from SS. I’d wager 17oz easily 
 

 

 

All true.  I had 3 PT's and my wife had a Limcat.  Def worth it on a 2011.  I would never buy one for a p320 when a TXG is avail or comes on the gun already.  Currently have Max's.  

[Johnny_Chimpo]

4 hours ago, echotango said:

Nope.

 

Why not?

 

This one is legal and flares out at the front

 

Is the interpretation of what is a "magwell", when it is not something attached to and separable from the grip, like porn?  You know it when you see it?

[louu]

Just shoot open and stop trying to cheat all the time. 

 

Or just practice cus ya know that's actually takes to win but that's to much like work

[nitrohuck]

Just now, louu said:

Just shoot open and stop trying to cheat all the time. 

 

Or just practice cus ya know that's actually takes to win but that's to much like work

Or.. cheat AND practice, fail safe combo right there. 
 

for real though, I don’t think it would kill CO to allow for minimal magwell flare. For instance the magwell that came w the p320 Max is pretty non-offensive. 

[Johnny_Chimpo]

6 hours ago, nitrohuck said:

for real though, I don’t think it would kill CO to allow for minimal magwell flare. For instance the magwell that came w the p320 Max is pretty non-offensive. 

Or we could just accept the fact that not every modification out there needs to be legal, regardless of how popular it may be.

 

I'm beginning to seriously not like the changes made to P and CO last go around, relaxing a bunch of the external modification restrictions.  Pandora's box always creates more problems than it fixes.

 

I'd rather we go back to right before then, as far as pistol mods go.  Some say what's done can't be undone, I disagree.  A few howler monkeys will screech, the rest will comply and continue to have fun.

[echotango]

10 hours ago, Johnny_Chimpo said:

 

Why not?

 

This one is legal and flares out at the front

 

Is the interpretation of what is a "magwell", when it is not something attached to and separable from the grip, like porn?  You know it when you see it?

Not my rule.  Feel free to try at the next major.  I can guess the answer. 

[Racinready300ex]

11 hours ago, Johnny_Chimpo said:

 

Why not?

 

This one is legal and flares out at the front

 

Is the interpretation of what is a "magwell", when it is not something attached to and separable from the grip, like porn?  You know it when you see it?

 

This is funny because I think the Shadow 2 might have the smallest magwell opening in the division. 

 

16 hours ago, Johnny_Chimpo said:

 

Is this one legal?  How much external flare is too much?

 

Because of how we've made the rules, the only way to really know is ask Troy I think. I believe he ruled the Wilson grip is legal and it's got a little more flare to it. To me that looks like it shouldn't be allowed, but I'd really rather see old school production rules TBH. 

[OPENB]

Obviously the Gen 5 Glocks are legal, they have a flared magwell integral to the grip, very similar to the Wilson grip for the 320. What is different on them compared to the Icarus?

[rowdyb]

Stock vs aftermarket. Removable vs integral.

[Racinready300ex]

I don't think stock vs aftermarket matters since we can run wilson grips. 

[rowdyb]

Just guessing. The NROI before Troy could be just as capricious. (For those who can remember having to carry a printed email from Amidon around in their range bag)

[Sarge]

17 minutes ago, rowdyb said:

 (For those who can remember having to carry a printed email from Amidon around in their range bag)

I also remember all the ridicule for saying that was actually a thing!