CO Rules

[BreakYoSelf]

Shooting Carry Optics with a Glock 34 MOS.  I have a few questions I couldn't find in the rules.  If anyone could help that would be really great.

 

1)  I am using the PMAG 21 round mags.  When doing mag changes sometimes they just take forever to fall out (usually on near empty mags) or sometimes they get stuck due to the lightweight.  Am I able to tape Lead weights (car tire weights 1/4oz) to the sides of the mag to make the fall out faster?  (The area where the mag body sticks out of the mag well.)  PMAG 21 rounds are already 140mm and they do not make heavier aftermarket base pads.  If I cant tape weights, then ill just get Dawson Precision extended base pads on a OEM mag.  Please provide rule for or against taping weights.

 

The only rule I can find pertaining to Carry Optics is:
21.7 Magazines OFM and aftermarket magazines and base-pads may be used. Grip tape and/or skateboard tape are specifically allowed on magazines and base pads.

 

Edited April 16, 2019 by BreakYoSelf

[HCH]

Yes you can. And I do. 

[broadside72]

As long as the gun and empty mag is 45oz or less

[David.Hylton]

What rule allows adding external weights to CO?

 

According to APPENDIX D7 – Carry Optics Division, 22. Specifically prohibited modifications and features; Please note that the absence of an item in the list of prohibited modifications MAY NOT be construed to mean a modification is allowed. A modification is only allowed in Carry Optics Division if there is a rules clause or interpretation, which specifically declares that it is allowed in the Division.

 

How would you justify the weights to an RO or MD? They're not magazine base pads.

[broadside72]

Are they not his own aftermarket magazines?

[DKorn]

55 minutes ago, David.Hylton said:

What rule allows adding external weights to CO?

 

According to APPENDIX D7 – Carry Optics Division, 22. Specifically prohibited modifications and features; Please note that the absence of an item in the list of prohibited modifications MAY NOT be construed to mean a modification is allowed. A modification is only allowed in Carry Optics Division if there is a rules clause or interpretation, which specifically declares that it is allowed in the Division.

 

How would you justify the weights to an RO or MD? They're not magazine base pads.

 

Sounds like maybe you’d need to add texture to them and call them grip tape?

[HCH]

 

2 hours ago, David.Hylton said:

What rule allows adding external weights to CO?

 

According to APPENDIX D7 – Carry Optics Division, 22. Specifically prohibited modifications and features; Please note that the absence of an item in the list of prohibited modifications MAY NOT be construed to mean a modification is allowed. A modification is only allowed in Carry Optics Division if there is a rules clause or interpretation, which specifically declares that it is allowed in the Division.

 

How would you justify the weights to an RO or MD? They're not magazine base pads.

 

I emailed Troy, and he said weighted basepads are legal. I would have to say you aren’t adding external weight to the handgun; you’re adding it to the magazine. 

 

 Brass basepads are legal. It’s the same thing. 

[HCH]

1 hour ago, DKorn said:

 

Sounds like maybe you’d need to add texture to them and call them grip tape?

 

I find the texture of wheel weights quite pleasant

[Bhayden]

Many short grip pistols have grip extensions that slide onto the magazine. That’s how I would present it.

[.45 ACP nut]

Appendix D7  22.

[Joe4d]

On 4/16/2019 at 6:45 PM, DKorn said:

 

Sounds like maybe you’d need to add texture to them and call them grip tape?

It's an aftermarket mag pad which is allowed. That or throw some stypling on it, its now grip tape.
But to the OP,, I think you are chasing symptoms not fixing the problem. Mags are binding, or you have a mag catch issue.  Can you push a Glock mag release too hard and bind the mag like on a 1911 ?  I usually go to stronger mag release spring, kinda prevents this,
ANother thought. Color your mag with a sharpie, insert and release multi times see where they are binding, sand that area down.
Or go with factory mags for your start and just use these for reloads.

[HCH]

5 hours ago, Joe4d said:

It's an aftermarket mag pad which is allowed. That or throw some stypling on it, its now grip tape.
But to the OP,, I think you are chasing symptoms not fixing the problem. Mags are binding, or you have a mag catch issue.  Can you push a Glock mag release too hard and bind the mag like on a 1911 ?  I usually go to stronger mag release spring, kinda prevents this,
ANother thought. Color your mag with a sharpie, insert and release multi times see where they are binding, sand that area down.
Or go with factory mags for your start and just use these for reloads.

 

Glock wiggle is a real thing. 

[Joe4d]

Is that what I call the Glock boogie woogie ?
Guy running down range with a fresh mag in weak hand, and strong hand shaking the gun trying to get mag to fall out ?
Actually this is a technique, training issue.
On the reload as you bring gun in , your weak hand comes off gun and strong hand hits release SWEEP the front strap of your gun with the lower joint of your weak hand index finger on way to your mag pouch.   Will catch any hanging mags and eject them.

[HCH]

That’s some next-level mall ninja stuff

[rowdyb]

gluing weight to your magazine is the most elemental of aftermarket basepads. legal, go for it.

[NoJams38]

On 5/25/2019 at 6:26 AM, Joe4d said:

Is that what I call the Glock boogie woogie ?
Guy running down range with a fresh mag in weak hand, and strong hand shaking the gun trying to get mag to fall out ?
Actually this is a technique, training issue.
On the reload as you bring gun in , your weak hand comes off gun and strong hand hits release SWEEP the front strap of your gun with the lower joint of your weak hand index finger on way to your mag pouch.   Will catch any hanging mags and eject them.

Thats a drill that every body should practice. I think the weight thing is wrong solution, just make sure your mag drops empty in the first place. I little dremel or mag catch attention usually eliminates problems in first place.

Edited June 6, 2019 by NoJams38
post was "saved" before comment made

[pskys2]

On 5/25/2019 at 11:26 AM, Joe4d said:

Is that what I call the Glock boogie woogie ?
Guy running down range with a fresh mag in weak hand, and strong hand shaking the gun trying to get mag to fall out ?
Actually this is a technique, training issue.
On the reload as you bring gun in , your weak hand comes off gun and strong hand hits release SWEEP the front strap of your gun with the lower joint of your weak hand index finger on way to your mag pouch.   Will catch any hanging mags and eject them.

Can happen with 1911's also, especially if the mag lips have spread.  But if you want fast reloads you're weak hand needs to be heading to, or already at, the next mag while you're punching the empty one out.

Edited June 8, 2019 by pskys2

[Joe4d]

1911 design is pretty easy  to tune so you cant over push the mag release.  Yeh learned about that by, over pushing mag release ,  Far as the sweep, all kinda one motion. However do have to admit, once I got halfway decent I quit worrying about reloads as I went from a 10 round game to  Limited USPSA.
Any way I think the issue is a tuning, technique, practice issue. Not an add weight issue.