bret Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 10 minutes ago, JFK714 said: No, the shooter corrected the issue and was restarted. Should have been DQd, R.O. screwed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidb72 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 It seems to me that I had this same discussion on a Facebook group and I said that the shooter should be DQ'd and I had a dozen people telling me they shouldn't be. Also - PCC is not a good fit for a pistol match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, davidb72 said: It seems to me that I had this same discussion on a Facebook group and I said that the shooter should be DQ'd and I had a dozen people telling me they shouldn't be. More people should read the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK714 Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, davidb72 said: It seems to me that I had this same discussion on a Facebook group and I said that the shooter should be DQ'd and I had a dozen people telling me they shouldn't be. Also - PCC is not a good fit for a pistol match. Agree that the shooter should have been DQ’d. I dont not agree that PCC is not a good fit in USPSA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) People that say "X" is against the rules,,, or supported by rules should be called out and asked to point out the rule # Edited January 29, 2019 by Joe4d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bret Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 8 hours ago, Joe4d said: People that say "X" is against the rules,,, or supported by rules should be called out and asked to point out the rule # 10.5.11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bret Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 8 hours ago, davidb72 said: It seems to me that I had this same discussion on a Facebook group and I said that the shooter should be DQ'd and I had a dozen people telling me they shouldn't be. Also - PCC is not a good fit for a pistol match. A lot of people even R.O.'s don't know the rules, at Open Nationals bent over to pick up steel my gun fell out of the holster, I didn't touch it, Carl the CRO came and took care of it, after i came back i heard him explaining to the other range officers why it wasn't a DQ, one was arguing with him that it is a DQ, for a dropped gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 46 minutes ago, bret said: A lot of people even R.O.'s don't know the rules, at Open Nationals bent over to pick up steel my gun fell out of the holster, I didn't touch it, Carl the CRO came and took care of it, after i came back i heard him explaining to the other range officers why it wasn't a DQ, one was arguing with him that it is a DQ, for a dropped gun. Absolutely. I see it at every match at every level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HI5-O Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 I see some ROs only take snippets of some rules and applying it to the situation resulting in a wrong call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 DQ. I think it is a dumb assed carry over from 3 gun rule though. If you can run with scissors you can sure as heck pick them up off of a table. If we were throwing the guns in buckets it would make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 15 minutes ago, IHAVEGAS said: DQ. I think it is a dumb assed carry over from 3 gun rule though. If you can run with scissors you can sure as heck pick them up off of a table. If we were throwing the guns in buckets it would make sense. It’s just trying to conform to USPSA rules. Safeties have to be on if you lay a loaded pistol down as well. Always has been that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Sarge said: It’s just trying to conform to USPSA rules. Safeties have to be on if you lay a loaded pistol down as well. Always has been that way I'm possibly just still pissy about it because it was an unplanned learning opportunity . . . . . Being on the other side of the timer though, it is a call I loathe making, we run with guns, we now have polymer guns with no external safeties & very light trigger kits, it something that the r.o. will not see if you opt for a single sided safety, but set your 2011 down without the external safety engaged and home you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKorn Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 3 hours ago, IHAVEGAS said: DQ. I think it is a dumb assed carry over from 3 gun rule though. If you can run with scissors you can sure as heck pick them up off of a table. If we were throwing the guns in buckets it would make sense. Thats an interesting comment, because I see many 3 gun rule sets going the other way with this. Many of them have moved away from a DQ for a gun dumped with the safety off and made it either a “Stage DQ” (which doesn’t exist in USPSA) where you zero the stage, or a large penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBurgess Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 3 hours ago, DKorn said: Thats an interesting comment, because I see many 3 gun rule sets going the other way with this. Many of them have moved away from a DQ for a gun dumped with the safety off and made it either a “Stage DQ” (which doesn’t exist in USPSA) where you zero the stage, or a large penalty. You will also find that most 3gun matches do not have you dumping a gun on a table mostly they have gone to the penalty not DQ rule as the dump positions have come to be built to control the direction the gun can point and keep it pointed in a safe direction. In our game we regularly set them on flat tables and barrels that have no directional control, I have seen guns on tables do a full 360 when the shooter missed their grip trying to pick it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 https://www.3gunnation.com/rules/ Are there other 3 gun official rules and a lot of our local match does it this way rules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bret Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 4 hours ago, MikeBurgess said: You will also find that most 3gun matches do not have you dumping a gun on a table mostly they have gone to the penalty not DQ rule as the dump positions have come to be built to control the direction the gun can point and keep it pointed in a safe direction. In our game we regularly set them on flat tables and barrels that have no directional control, I have seen guns on tables do a full 360 when the shooter missed their grip trying to pick it up Ditching a long gun or pistol in a barrel, garbage can or plastic bucket doesn't really assure the gun will point in a safe direction or even stay in the ditch barrel, seen guns bounce out, barrels flip over etc. 3 procedurals for a gun not on safe only teaches sloppy gun handling. Some of the sloppy 3 gun handling is now at USPSA matches with pcc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBurgess Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 17 hours ago, bret said: Ditching a long gun or pistol in a barrel, garbage can or plastic bucket doesn't really assure the gun will point in a safe direction or even stay in the ditch barrel, seen guns bounce out, barrels flip over etc. 3 procedurals for a gun not on safe only teaches sloppy gun handling. Some of the sloppy 3 gun handling is now at USPSA matches with pcc. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 OK, the original question has been answered. If you have anything relevant to PCC table starts, PM me and I will open it up. For the other stuff, start a new thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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