ATLDave Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 I see in the September BOD minutes that the proposed new comprehensive rule set is supposed to be available to members on the USPSA site. After poking around a few minutes (yes, I signed in), I could not find it. Is it up yet? Anyone have a link handy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, ATLDave said: I see in the September BOD minutes that the proposed new comprehensive rule set is supposed to be available to members on the USPSA site. After poking around a few minutes (yes, I signed in), I could not find it. Is it up yet? Anyone have a link handy? Yeah, they hid it pretty well. The link was in the weekly email. If you have unsubscribed to that, you will miss stuff! https://uspsa.org/rulebook/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLDave Posted October 1, 2018 Author Share Posted October 1, 2018 Thanks. I've not unsubscribed to that, but it is so larded up with graphics and irrelevant garbage from other gun-related-but-otherwise-totally-irrelevant sources that I hardly ever read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robchavous Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 They also posted it on FB.Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 4 hours ago, ATLDave said: Thanks. I've not unsubscribed to that, but it is so larded up with graphics and irrelevant garbage from other gun-related-but-otherwise-totally-irrelevant sources that I hardly ever read it. usually, the first 2 or 3 articles are pertinent to USPSA. The rest is, well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stick Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 It's obviously still a draft. Does anyone know if they are/can still make changes before it becomes official? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatland Shooter Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Looks like we can reference a rule and make a comment. So I'd say its just a draft and can be changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stick Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 20 minutes ago, Flatland Shooter said: Looks like we can reference a rule and make a comment. So I'd say its just a draft and can be changed. I was thinking that, but I wasn't sure. I'll have to look it over and see what's new/changing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 The 2019 USPSA Competition Rules, Multi-gun Rules and Steel Challenge Rules USPSAOn Tuesday, Sept. 25, the USPSA Board of Directors approved a draft of the 2019 USPSA Competition Rules, Multi-gun Rules and Steel Challenge rules, complete with change logs. The draft is comprehensive and includes all rules, rulings, appendices, addendums, format fixes, updates and corrections. The rules will posted for 90 days for member comment, after which time the Board of Directors will vote on the implementation of the 2019 rule books and release an effective date. Current USPSA Members can login to view the rules drafts and comment online here. Comments should be specific to rules, and will require a rule number for review. Comments will be reviewed on a regular basis, and minor changes may be implemented during the review period. READ MORE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFO Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 The link includes revision summaries that show exactly what is changing for each ruleset. The summary for the main rulebook is 6 pages, and seems to incorporate a lot of the rulings and some of the "Troy told me..." items, like the barberpole issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, JAFO said: The link includes revision summaries that show exactly what is changing for each ruleset. The summary for the main rulebook is 6 pages, and seems to incorporate a lot of the rulings and some of the "Troy told me..." items, like the barberpole issue. All of the current rulings should of been addressed by the changes. If you find one that isn't, tell 'em! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robchavous Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Hopefully we'll end up with a nice cohesive rulebook come January.Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLDave Posted October 1, 2018 Author Share Posted October 1, 2018 Hopefully they will still print paper copies, because cell service sucks at many ranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraj Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 11 minutes ago, ATLDave said: Hopefully they will still print paper copies, because cell service sucks at many ranges. Pdf on your phone is the best. Download it so you don't need service and you can still use the search function. I never use my paper rule book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robchavous Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Hopefully they will still print paper copies, because cell service sucks at many ranges. With the new USPSA app you can have all the rulebooks downloaded on it for offline viewing.Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V2plus25 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 FINALLY the graphic in the back of the book indicating scoring zone hits will be more crisp and easier to read. Uh oh they also still show a B scoring zone in the upper graphic. Comment sent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, V2plus25 said: FINALLY the graphic in the back of the book indicating scoring zone hits will be more crisp and easier to read. Uh oh they also still show a B scoring zone in the upper graphic. Comment sent. They talk about B in the draft rulebook: Note that the B zone on all USPSA targets is now scored as a C hit. B zoned targets are on an indefinite phase out per Board directive in 2018. B-zoned cardboard targets may still be used as official targets but must be scored using the A-C-D scoring listed below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V2plus25 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 1 hour ago, ChuckS said: They talk about B in the draft rulebook: Note that the B zone on all USPSA targets is now scored as a C hit. B zoned targets are on an indefinite phase out per Board directive in 2018. B-zoned cardboard targets may still be used as official targets but must be scored using the A-C-D scoring listed below. Yeah I saw that, but if you look in App B1 they don't have a B zone in the graphics of any of the metric targets. Just figuring for consistency throughout the book either the B zone should also be shown in B1 or completely removed from all metric target (now USPSA target) depictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashDodson Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 How do you read this? No more grabbing walls and leaning out? Added language defining that nothing but the very edge of the wall in contact with or inside the fault lines may be used for support while firing shots. Time to end the “electricity” game. It eliminates using wall feet, braces, other walls, etc., to game a stage. You have to be inside the fault lines to touch a wall or other structure, unless specifically called out as “outside”, as in the case with elevated platforms, etc. 10.2.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssanders224 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 1 hour ago, CrashDodson said: How do you read this? No more grabbing walls and leaning out? Added language defining that nothing but the very edge of the wall in contact with or inside the fault lines may be used for support while firing shots. Time to end the “electricity” game. It eliminates using wall feet, braces, other walls, etc., to game a stage. You have to be inside the fault lines to touch a wall or other structure, unless specifically called out as “outside”, as in the case with elevated platforms, etc. 10.2.1 That sounds super confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFO Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 1 hour ago, CrashDodson said: How do you read this? No more grabbing walls and leaning out? Added language defining that nothing but the very edge of the wall in contact with or inside the fault lines may be used for support while firing shots. Time to end the “electricity” game. It eliminates using wall feet, braces, other walls, etc., to game a stage. You have to be inside the fault lines to touch a wall or other structure, unless specifically called out as “outside”, as in the case with elevated platforms, etc. 10.2.1 It's to keep people from standing on wall stands, braces, or other supports outside the shooting area. Currently, if a wall makes up one side of the shooting area, but extends beyond a perpendicular fault line (e.g., you place a fault line short of the end of a wall to limit the view), people were standing on the wall stand/brace/etc and considering it the same as standing on a fault line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robchavous Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 It's to keep people from standing on wall stands, braces, or other supports outside the shooting area. Currently, if a wall makes up one side of the shooting area, but extends beyond a perpendicular fault line (e.g., you place a fault line short of the end of a wall to limit the view), people were standing on the wall stand/brace/etc and considering it the same as standing on a fault line.This came up at the SC section match this year. You could stand on a support behind a wall and shoot a swinger before activating it.Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashDodson Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 There is also new wording that clarifies you can shoot an un-activated target if you can see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HCH Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 1 hour ago, JAFO said: It's to keep people from standing on wall stands, braces, or other supports outside the shooting area. Currently, if a wall makes up one side of the shooting area, but extends beyond a perpendicular fault line (e.g., you place a fault line short of the end of a wall to limit the view), people were standing on the wall stand/brace/etc and considering it the same as standing on a fault line. I thought that had been addressed previously, since the end of the wall (in this case) was divorced from the shooting area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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