ddc Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 2 hours ago, IGOTGLOCKED said: I've been told it seeps out the powder bar on a 650. What a bummer because that is what I load with... Is anyone else loading SP on a 650..? News to me. I've gone through about 4 lbs. at this point. Not a problem. I load True Blue without any issue also and it is finer grained than SP. Maybe there is more variation in powder measure performance than there should be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matteekay Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 It doesn't leak on my 650 but I'm also using the older-style powder measure. Maybe that's what the difference is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowenbuilt Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 7 hours ago, bigeric said: I just bought a brand new 650 (after using a Square Deal B for a year.) Sport Pistol leaked until I polished the powder and spacer bars and added cellophane tape to the spacer bar. It didn't leak from the older SDB powder measure. Sounds like you might want to have Dillon replace the spacer or powder bar. It's not fine enough to have been leaking and that problem will only get worse over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IGOTGLOCKED Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 11 hours ago, bigeric said: I just bought a brand new 650 (after using a Square Deal B for a year.) Sport Pistol leaked until I polished the powder and spacer bars and added cellophane tape to the spacer bar. It didn't leak from the older SDB powder measure. I'd call Dillon, cellophane is not a proper solution for any press let alone a Dillon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Dillon makes the body of their powder measure from cheap metal that bends over time. Powder spillage is an indicator that it's time to get a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IGOTGLOCKED Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 It's simple, call Dillon, don't be trying to conjure up mickey mouse fixes... Their customer service & satisfaction is incredible! Cheers! IGG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IGOTGLOCKED Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Oh, forgot to mention I spoke with Dillon regarding ASP being extruded and not spherical. They said it was well within the norm for the small powder bar and should not have problems with consistent powder drop as long as that entire station is kept clean and properly adjusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matteekay Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) Oh hey, I never posted my results! Everything was shot through a Competition Electronics chrono with an indoor lighting kit at 10 feet. The guns used were a 5" RIA 1911 and a 6" Chiappa Charging Rhino. The speed tended to be lower with the Rhino and the ES/SD was higher – this is expected, as it's blowing more gas out of the sides of the gun and I'm guessing the chambers aren't perfectly uniform. ES's might be a little high overall as I was adjusting the powder in the same run (though I did dump a case or two after every charge weight change). Bullet: SNS Casting 147 RN coated lead Powder: Alliant Sport Pistol (duh) Primer: Winchester SPP Brass: Mixed COL: 1.141" Crimp: Light/medium taper Grains: 3.0 Low: 855 (RIA) // 823 (Rhino) High: 908 (RIA) // 901 (Rhino) Average: 890 (RIA) // 879 (Rhino) Average Power Factor: 130.8 (RIA) // 129.2 (Rhino) Extreme Spread: 53 (RIA) // 78 (Rhino) Standard Deviation: 14 (RIA) // 19 (Rhino) Grains: 3.1 Low: 885 (RIA) // 872 (Rhino) High: 915 (RIA) // 930 (Rhino) Average: 904 (RIA) // 901 (Rhino) Average Power Factor: 132 (RIA) // 132 (Rhino) Extreme Spread: 30 (RIA) // 58 (Rhino) Standard Deviation: 7 (RIA) // 14 (Rhino) Grains: 3.2 Low: 904 (RIA) // 888 (Rhino) High: 945 (RIA) // 950 (Rhino) Average: 927 (RIA) // 915 (Rhino) Average Power Factor: 136 (RIA) // 134.5 (Rhino) Extreme Spread: 41 (RIA) // 62 (Rhino) Standard Deviation: 9 (RIA) // 15 (Rhino) Grains: 3.3 Low: 924 (RIA) // 822 (Rhino) High: 955 (RIA) // 953 (Rhino) Average: 940 (RIA) // 926 (Rhino) Average Power Factor: 138 (RIA) // 136.1 (Rhino) Extreme Spread: 31 (RIA) // 131 (Rhino) Standard Deviation: 7 (RIA) // 31 (Rhino) 3.1 hits the sweet spot of recoil, SD, and PF for me. Nothing seemed inordinately inaccurate or dirty. Though, to be fair, everything is dirty with the Rhino... Edited February 1, 2018 by matteekay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolex Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Back to the range- Sport Pistol 4.0gr- 124 JHP PD- 1.130 OAL- 138.38 PF 4.6 gr- 115 FMJ PD-1.130 OAL- 141.79 PF this one- is VV N320- 4.6 gr- 115 FMJ PD- 1.130 OAL- 141.86 PF Very close to the SP- but felt softer shooting- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAP Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 I've been shooting Alliant Sport Pistol since August 2017. Before that I shot VV N320 and Prima V. I tried SP because N320 was sporadic in availability and Prima V had some inconsistencies between lots. SP has been consistent and clean burning. As far as soft shooting I couldn't tell any difference when power factors are similar. Accuracy has been very good with all bullets I've tried. Below is some data from my last test with a chronograph. Created: 11/21/17 01:06 PMDescription: CZ P09 147 MO HITEKNotes 1: 3.3 grains Alliant Sport PistolNotes 2: Win SPPDistance to Chrono(FT): 8.00Ballistic Coefficient: 0.140Bullet Weight(gr): 145.00Temp: 67 °FBP: 29.14 inHgAltitude: 800.00# FPS FT-LBS PF16 913 268.43 132.38 15 923 274.34 133.84 14 929 277.92 134.71 13 922 273.74 133.69 12 925 275.53 134.12 11 923 274.34 133.84 10 925 275.53 134.12 9 919 271.97 133.26 8 917 270.78 132.96 7 922 273.74 133.69 6 920 272.56 133.40 5 923 274.34 133.84 4 927 276.72 134.41 3 910 266.67 131.95 2 905 263.74 131.23 1 912 267.84 132.24 Average: 919.7 FPSSD: 6.6 FPSMin: 905 FPSMax: 929 FPSSpread: 24 FPSShot/sec: 0.3True MV: 924 FPSGroup Size (in): 0.00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncie21 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Looks very consistent RAP. Maybe a bit off topic- how did you determine your ballistic coefficient? On my chrono, I just leave it at the default of 1.000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IGOTGLOCKED Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Have been pretty hyped up after hearing so many good reports from those shooting SP and consequently decided to get some to try! I called every place I could find within an hour drive and I couldn't find any locally! So... I went back the charts to see what was close until it became available in my area. Pretty bummed out... Then right after lunch I receive a call from a lgs who said they ordered it for me Cheers Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAP Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 14 hours ago, muncie21 said: Looks very consistent RAP. Maybe a bit off topic- how did you determine your ballistic coefficient? On my chrono, I just leave it at the default of 1.000. Muncie21 thats a good question. This is just a by product of a situation that caused me to verify my speeds across my Caldwell chronograph. I have a magneto speed with an adapter for Picatinny rail. I was able to shoot my CZ for muzzle velocity with the magneto speed and than shoot through my other chronograph for my velocity at distance. There are several sites on the web you can use with known measurements to calculate your BC. However, different sites will give you different numbers. I just picked one and went with it. Not that it makes any difference at the distances I shoot at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolex Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 On 1/31/2018 at 8:30 PM, IGOTGLOCKED said: I've been told it seeps out the powder bar on a 650. What a bummer because that is what I load with... Is anyone else loading SP on a 650..? I use a 650-- loaded over 200 rounds- no powder seeping out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IGOTGLOCKED Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 20 hours ago, Rolex said: I use a 650-- loaded over 200 rounds- no powder seeping out Awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IGOTGLOCKED Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 On 6/27/2017 at 8:25 AM, MemphisMechanic said: Dont forget that it could simply be less dense. You might need more of it for that reason, as opposed to it being an equal-density slower powder. Only way to really find out will be to shoot some and see how it recoils, or find a burn rate chart from Alliant. It'll be interesting to find out. It does however seem to be very close to the same recipe that I now use with TG... Just picked up a bottle today and had a call back from another lgs I called last week saying they just got some in so it is beginning to surface. Hope to load and chrono some this weekend if not raining... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banjo73 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) Am looking for Load Data using Alliant Sport Pistol and Acme 9MM Coated 135 gr nlg rn. For USPSA Production minor power. (Power factor of 125 or just above) Edited February 10, 2018 by banjo73 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banjo73 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 On 6/24/2017 at 9:50 AM, CTD_P2A said: Have to wonder if this will be a new trend for all of the powder manufacturers with the rise of polymer coated bullets. Greatly looking forward to anyone with real world test data...especially out of a CZ shadow variant! On 8/23/2017 at 1:49 AM, matteekay said: Looks like I'll get to try this stuff after all! I'm finally switching to reloading 9mm and the SP looks ideal. I have 147 BBI flat points on the way; thinking I'll start at around 3.2gr and work my way up. Does anyone have a COL they'd recommend? I have been using Alliant Sport Pistol and Acme Coated 9MM 147 flat point and am using 3.2 gr and OAL of 1.110 and get around 129 Power Factor. Shooting a CZ Shadow2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matteekay Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 I have been using Alliant Sport Pistol and Acme Coated 9MM 147 flat point and am using 3.2 gr and OAL of 1.110 and get around 129 Power Factor. Shooting a CZ Shadow2Good to know. My brother in law has a Tanfoglio and I'm not sure if my 1.114 rounds will chamber in his; I'll drop to 1.110 if they don't work.My 9mm 1911 chambers literally everything, haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCTaylor Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Am looking for Load Data using Alliant Sport Pistol and Acme 9MM Coated 135 gr nlg rn. For USPSA Production minor power. (Power factor of 125 or just above)What OAL? Look here for pointers. http://accurateshooter.net/Downloads/alliantsportpistoldata10217.pdfSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAP Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Here is some load data with Black Bullet International 135 grain round nose. These bullets have a lube groove. This data should give you a good starting point. Created: 10/14/17 03:19 PMDescription: CZ P09 135 BBINotes 1: 3.55 Alliant Sport PistolNotes 2: Win SSP OAL 1.115Distance to Chrono(FT): 10.00Ballistic Coefficient: 0.135Bullet Weight(gr): 135.00Temp: 76 °FBP: 29.14 inHgAltitude: 800.00 # FPS FT-LBS PF9 975 285.01 131.62 8 979 287.35 132.16 7 988 292.66 133.38 6 975 285.01 131.62 5 965 279.19 130.27 4 969 281.51 130.82 3 991 294.44 133.79 2 978 286.77 132.03 1 971 282.68 131.09 Average: 976.8 FPSSD: 8.5 FPSMin: 965 FPSMax: 991 FPSSpread: 26 FPSShot/sec: 1.1True MV: 982 FPSGroup Size (in): 0.00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IGOTGLOCKED Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 It rained off and on today however I was able to chrono in between & get just over 129 PF with: 3.2 gr SP Mag SPP Acme 145 RN RP brass 13 ES 3 SD This is softer than TG... Cheers! IGG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddc Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Those are excellent ES and SD numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IGOTGLOCKED Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 On 2/1/2018 at 2:14 PM, matteekay said: Oh hey, I never posted my results! Everything was shot through a Competition Electronics chrono with an indoor lighting kit at 10 feet. The guns used were a 5" RIA 1911 and a 6" Chiappa Charging Rhino. The speed tended to be lower with the Rhino and the ES/SD was higher – this is expected, as it's blowing more gas out of the sides of the gun and I'm guessing the chambers aren't perfectly uniform. ES's might be a little high overall as I was adjusting the powder in the same run (though I did dump a case or two after every charge weight change). Bullet: SNS Casting 147 RN coated lead Powder: Alliant Sport Pistol (duh) Primer: Winchester SPP Brass: Mixed COL: 1.141" Crimp: Light/medium taper Grains: 3.0 Low: 855 (RIA) // 823 (Rhino) High: 908 (RIA) // 901 (Rhino) Average: 890 (RIA) // 879 (Rhino) Average Power Factor: 130.8 (RIA) // 129.2 (Rhino) Extreme Spread: 53 (RIA) // 78 (Rhino) Standard Deviation: 14 (RIA) // 19 (Rhino) Grains: 3.1 Low: 885 (RIA) // 872 (Rhino) High: 915 (RIA) // 930 (Rhino) Average: 904 (RIA) // 901 (Rhino) Average Power Factor: 132 (RIA) // 132 (Rhino) Extreme Spread: 30 (RIA) // 58 (Rhino) Standard Deviation: 7 (RIA) // 14 (Rhino) Grains: 3.2 Low: 904 (RIA) // 888 (Rhino) High: 945 (RIA) // 950 (Rhino) Average: 927 (RIA) // 915 (Rhino) Average Power Factor: 136 (RIA) // 134.5 (Rhino) Extreme Spread: 41 (RIA) // 62 (Rhino) Standard Deviation: 9 (RIA) // 15 (Rhino) Grains: 3.3 Low: 924 (RIA) // 822 (Rhino) High: 955 (RIA) // 953 (Rhino) Average: 940 (RIA) // 926 (Rhino) Average Power Factor: 138 (RIA) // 136.1 (Rhino) Extreme Spread: 31 (RIA) // 131 (Rhino) Standard Deviation: 7 (RIA) // 31 (Rhino) 3.1 hits the sweet spot of recoil, SD, and PF for me. Nothing seemed inordinately inaccurate or dirty. Though, to be fair, everything is dirty with the Rhino... Thanks, I can see the difference in vel with the longer barrels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IGOTGLOCKED Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 19 minutes ago, ddc said: Those are excellent ES and SD numbers. Thanks, it really dialed in pretty quick. It's the same 3.2 charge I've been using with TG, but SP is a softer shoot though. Going to pick up another bottle tomorrow and shoot this stuff for a while and see. Actually going to shoot in a local match tonight which hopefully will give me a guess at what to expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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