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On 1/29/2018 at 2:51 AM, stick said:

I've used titegroup for years.  Small case volume, consistent metering from my Dillon XL650, inexpensive and readily available.  What else do I need to say?

 

A little bit of a necro post but same situation, I am typically slow to fix what is working. 

 

The one thing I am wondering about that might make switching more imminent is leading with coated bullets. Never been a problem in any of my guns with titegroup until I bought a 929 revolver, 929 leads up and is a real pain to clean.

 

Anybody seen any difference with leading when switching from some faster powder to SP? 

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Anyone had an opportunity to compare it with Clean Shot or Winchester 244?

Edited by Andreas

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SNS 125gr conical nose, 1.13" OAL

4.0gr = 1080 fps

135PF

 

Very low SD and nice recoil impulse from my 5" 1911.  Known slow barrel in that gun.

 

Going to try 3.8gr to see what PF that gives me in the 1911 and CZs.

 

Very consistent powder drops from the 650.  Impressed I am.

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3.8 sport pistol. Precision bullet 125 flat point coated. 1.100 oal. Win spp.

 

Out of two shadow 2 I averaged a very consistent 1037 to 1050fps for 20 round strings. 1,100 feet above sea level. 65 degrees F.

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SNS 125gr conical nose

1.13" OAL

Win brass and WSP primers

 

4.0gr = 1080fps/135PF (1911 5") and 1100fps/138PF (CZ P09 4.5")

3.8gr = 1040fps/130PF (1911 5") and 1055fps/132PF (CZ P09 4.5")

 

That DW PM-9 and its slow barrel...

Edited by IronicTwitch

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Everglades 124 JHP V2 

1.125 AOL

4.15gr SP

1080 fps

133PF

 

Everglades 147RN plated & Xtreme 147RN HPCB

1.135 OAL

3.3gr SP

905 fps (Ev) & 908 fps (Xt)

133PF

 

All 8 shot averages from a Shadow 2 in 45 degree weather using mixed brass and Fed spp.

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9 minutes ago, e-mishka said:

Is it available anywhere? PV and Grafs are out

Check brownells or midway. They usually have it. 

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9 minutes ago, Mac_Menamy said:

Check brownells or midway. They usually have it. 

all out. really wanna try it.

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30 minutes ago, e-mishka said:

Is it available anywhere? PV and Grafs are out

Grafs had one pounders

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7 minutes ago, zombywoof said:

Grafs had one pounders

thanks

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Not in my experience. I saw about a 1 power factor change shooting it in cool weather at 5600+ feet vs 95+ degrees at 1,100 ft. That was with a 3.1gr charge.

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6 hours ago, e-mishka said:

 

all out. really wanna try it.

 

It is the newest bright and shiny thing, but I would not fret if you need to wait to find some. It is very unlikely to ever effect a match score. 

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I just shot an indoor match with SNS bullets I thought it was more smokey than SNS with WST. Going back tomorrow for a side by side comparison.  Still a more consistent powder drop with low SDs. Maybe my expectations were too high.

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23 hours ago, e-mishka said:

is it temp sensitive?

 

I got this from an article I found while researching SP.

 

Jared Hinton, communications coordinator for Alliant Powder, describes Sport Pistol as "a low nitroglycerine, double-base flake propellant. On the burn rate chart, Sport Pistol would functionally replace/overlap with American Select. Temp sensitivity can change from application to application, but Sport Pistol is extremely stable with a slight negative slope. In our most comprehensive testing, it changed less than 15 fps, between 0 and 125 degrees Fahrenheit."

Edited by NWfront

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Im getting a pound of it from my local shooting buddy to try :)

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Posted (edited)
On 7/6/2018 at 6:23 PM, ARMAGEDON said:

Hey guys.     I have a Tanfoglio Stock II.     I was using Titegroup and i changed to Sport Pistol.   I make my ammo at 1.130 AOL and i use SNS 135gr round nose coated bullets.

 

I would love to be in a 130 power factor.     Does anyone has a recipe?     How much load do i need to use?

 

Thanks

A little late but here is what I got with Bayou Bullets 135 round nose to 1.130 with Sport Pistol and CCI 500.

 

Temp was 66.

 

Dan Wesson PM9 

 

3.2    

 avg 904.       SD 5.6       spread 17      PF about 122

 

3.4 

avg 977        SD 7.7        Spread 19.     PF about 132

 

3.6

avg. 1014      SD 7.3       Spread 17      PF about 136

 

 

 

 

 

Edited by GolfGuns

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Old thread but lots of good information, thanks!

 

I just ordered 8, 1lb bottles of  Sport Pistol from Powder Valley, it was slim pickings other places and didn’t find any 4 or 8lb jugs. 

 

I’m looking forward for this in 40, and 9 once I use up the CFE-P. 

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Thanks, I’ll check there next time. Luckily I had a discount code for PV. 

 

Thanks for for the reminder about the rebate though. 

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I was trying to get 135pf with coated 160 grain bullets, and Titegroup, and bumped it to 134pf but I was getting tumbling. I called the bullet mfg and he suggested switching to Sport Pistol.

I hit 134 pf on my first try, with Sport Pistol, and noticed they shot a lot softer, but, when I walked down to the target (25 yards) I saw that the bullets were still tumbling. I guess that's the reason nobody at Nationals were using 160s.

I usually use VV310 for 147 grain bullets. I put together a load with Sport Pistol, went to the range and chronoed them side by side with my VV310 load. Both loads chronoed almost identical, but, I was really surprised that the Sport Pistol load was softer, and more accurate. Now, the accuracy COULD have been because I was using once-fired Winchester brass, with the Sport Pistol load, and R-P brass that was probably been fired 3 times, with the VV310 load.

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I found the 160's to have a very soft but slow recoil impulse.   Good for a new shooter, but not for a fast shooter. 

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