Raider26 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 I'm pretty new to the forum, so hopefully this is in the correct area. I talked to SVI about their grip today. They have stopped producing metal grips in Stainless unless it is on a complete custom pistol, then they will use stainless. Their metal grips are 4140 material now. Is it safe to assume these grips will rust quickly and not have the same strength and longevity as a stainless grip. For that reason I'm considering Phoenix Trinity since they still offer a Stainless grip. I also hear PT is a one piece construction vs 2 piece that SVI uses. Are there any issues with the 2 piece grips breaking? Any advice would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike21STI Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 I have a CK metal grip in 4140 steel. I had it black nitrided to avoid any issues with possible rust. I have felt the PT evo grip and if it was around when I got mine I would have gone with that. I haven't had the opportunity to handle the svi grip but the 187 texture is appealing to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluedevil008 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 If you're building a gun, it should be coated anyways, so just coat it with DLC or black nitride and there goes the rust problems! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatchShooterSupply Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Phoenix Trinity is a better grip IMO but stainless in a must for a grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsaacB Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I think the PT grip feels better personally. It feels an awful lot like a CZ grip. It is sharp as hell though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echotango Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I have 2 pt evo's and am very happy with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigboy69 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I have a PT SS aggressive grip that was ordered unblasted so it is shiny and sharper then the normal looking grip. And I love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noah my boy Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 I bought an svi signature grip months before the evo grip came out. I do like the svi grip but i did not like the hours of hours that it took to install it right. It was a week long process of filing and fitting. The PT evo is plug and play you can use most magwells with it and the grip safety comes pined also it’s 200 bucks cheaper. I would do the Pt for my next grip 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echotango Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 The Evo is not plug and play. It still takes a bit to fit them. 1 took me a few hours, the other 1 hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noah my boy Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 I have seen two with no work needed is why I said that. Thanks for the FYI though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd7446 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 I'll wager that it's more related to the exact frame dimensions that you're fitting an EVO to than variances in the mating dimensions of the EVO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theWacoKid Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 On 9/19/2017 at 11:32 PM, Raider26 said: I'm pretty new to the forum, so hopefully this is in the correct area. I talked to SVI about their grip today. They have stopped producing metal grips in Stainless unless it is on a complete custom pistol, then they will use stainless. Their metal grips are 4140 material now. Is it safe to assume these grips will rust quickly and not have the same strength and longevity as a stainless grip. For that reason I'm considering Phoenix Trinity since they still offer a Stainless grip. I also hear PT is a one piece construction vs 2 piece that SVI uses. Are there any issues with the 2 piece grips breaking? Any advice would be appreciated. Rust quickly? If not finished and raw, yes of course. Same strength? No issues, 4140 has excellent mechanical properties. Longevity? Again, a unreasonable worry. Two piece? A very small issue, there are more things to go wrong such as hardware stripping or loosening. This is just a cheaper method to produce metal grips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACree Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Stainless steel is not stronger and does not magically last longer than carbon steel. Stainless steel does not machine as well as carbon steel and is more expensive. Stainless steels also gall. As long as the carbon steel is properly finished it will be fine. Stainless steel isn't rust proof and neglect can cause issues. It just allows for a wider margin of error in keeping it serviced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badluck2 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 So how about aluminum PT grips? What is everyone's opinion on them? That is the route I am thinking about going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd7446 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 13 hours ago, Monkeynutz said: So how about aluminum PT grips? What is everyone's opinion on them? That is the route I am thinking about going. Depends what you're shooting. Aluminum grips really aren't recommended for Open guns. Open is just too violent. That being said, I do know a couple with high cycles on them with no problem. Aluminum on Limited guns is good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robb315 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 (edited) 16 hours ago, Monkeynutz said: So how about aluminum PT grips? What is everyone's opinion on them? That is the route I am thinking about going. I’ve had an aluminum aggressive textured PT grip on my open gun since August of 2014. Had it Type III hard coat anodized January of 2015. Has held up just fine. No issues at all. Just a little wear of the anodizing in the magwell area is all. Gun is a full size in 38SC with an average of approx. 6-8k/year. Edited October 24, 2017 by robb315 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badluck2 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 (edited) Well I am putting it on a limited, so sounds like I should be fine. Question for rob315, how has the aggressive texture healed up. I mean are the points still sharp. Edited October 24, 2017 by Monkeynutz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robb315 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 15 hours ago, Monkeynutz said: Well I am putting it on a limited, so sounds like I should be fine. Question for rob315, how has the aggressive texture healed up. I mean are the points still sharp. They feel the same now as the day I put it on. No wear to the anodizing on the outside of the grip at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badluck2 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Did you have it colored anodized and hard anodized, or just hard clear anodized.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjb45 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 I have 5 SV metal grips. If I had another SV I would then have 6 SV metal grips. Kind of says it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robb315 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) 19 hours ago, Monkeynutz said: Did you have it colored anodized and hard anodized, or just hard clear anodized.? Just had it Type 3 hard coat anodized,matte black. Edited October 26, 2017 by robb315 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911builder Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Where do you send out your coatings to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theWacoKid Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 On 10/23/2017 at 6:24 PM, CCG said: Stainless steel is not stronger and does not magically last longer than carbon steel. Stainless steel does not machine as well as carbon steel and is more expensive. Stainless steels also gall. As long as the carbon steel is properly finished it will be fine. Stainless steel isn't rust proof and neglect can cause issues. It just allows for a wider margin of error in keeping it serviced. Let's be fair, there are a lot of stainless steels in the right condition that have higher yield and ultimate tensile strengths than some of the common mild to medium carbon steel alloys. Same goes for the machinability aspect. So it's important to not generalize all stainless steels and all carbon steels. Having said that, I totally agree, stainless isn't magic, it's just another alloy. Good carbon steel is more than adequate for a forever lasting grip, as is a good stainless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACree Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Let's be fair, there are a lot of stainless steels in the right condition that have higher yield and ultimate tensile strengths than some of the common mild to medium carbon steel alloys. Same goes for the machinability aspect. So it's important to not generalize all stainless steels and all carbon steels. Having said that, I totally agree, stainless isn't magic, it's just another alloy. Good carbon steel is more than adequate for a forever lasting grip, as is a good stainless. The opposite case can be made for carbon steel as well..... Wasn't over generalizing, just trying to put the properties of the SS grip and the CS grip into perspective....Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badluck2 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 On 10/26/2017 at 12:39 PM, robb315 said: Just had it Type 3 hard coat anodized,matte black. How much more does the aluminum grip weight compared to plastic stock or DVC grips? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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