PCC in... IDPA ?

[DocMedic]

On ‎11‎/‎19‎/‎2016 at 2:06 PM, IntenseImage said:

 

 

That's if they count muzzle devices on that measurement

 

I would assume so as Wilson Combat  doesn't make a 10" version of their Carbine.

On ‎11‎/‎19‎/‎2016 at 4:17 PM, MickB said:

Does that Lantac do anything to minimize muzzle rise vs the bird cage?

Mick

Enough to warrant me buying one when originally I was against it

Edited November 21, 2016 by DocMedic

[MemphisMechanic]

34 minutes ago, jrswanson1 said:

Would you rather defend yourself with a pistol or a carbine?

I'm on a website dedicated to a pair of sports in which you're perforating 1/8" cardboard at the highest possible speed.

That does indeed include IDPA completely and totally.

I think you're lost, sir. 

Also, the correct answer is "shotgun"  

Edited November 21, 2016 by MemphisMechanic

[Marshal82]

On 11/21/2016 at 3:35 PM, MemphisMechanic said:

Just like you're required to do in 3-gun, USPSA Multigun, and USPSA PCC?

A righty shooting around the left side of a wall of his left shoulder is a very common weapons-handling skill. That's why there are 327 videos on YouTube dedicated to it.

Yeah and in those sports it's not cover based. I'm not tacticool enough to watch YouTube trainers. True though it's a skill that will need to be used.

[dogtired]

My red dot is so off into space when shouldering on the left, there is no way I can practice that skill.

[IntenseImage]

My red dot is so off into space when shouldering on the left, there is no way I can practice that skill.

How so and that kinda is the point in practice, to fix issues

[jrswanson1]

3 hours ago, dogtired said:

My red dot is so off into space when shouldering on the left, there is no way I can practice that skill.

I've not experienced this problem.

[TxD]

21 hours ago, dogtired said:

My red dot is so off into space when shouldering on the left, there is no way I can practice that skill.

Try closing your dominate eye.

[dogtired]

Not every one is wired the same fellas!

[IntenseImage]

Not every one is wired the same fellas!

I'm cross dominant and have no issues. Practice and you will be fine

[dogtired]

I am not wired to, believe me.

[dogtired]

Not to drop the "tactical guy I know" bomb but experienced war fighters can not necessarily master that skill either.

[IntenseImage]

I fail to see the issue .... Put gun on opposite shoulder, realize you can't see thru optic, close the open eye, open the other ... Magically see optic ... Pull trigger

[dogtired]

Of course from inside you it seems simple.  Inside me, I am so right eye dominant that I can barely close my right eye independently.  My left eye places the dot at 2 o'clock on a 20 foot tall clock.

[rowdyb]

or just really lean and keep it strong side shoulder. maybe it's cause i'm thin but i can be behind a barricade and shoot my off hand side, staying in cover, with the gun still on my right shoulder.

[MikeRush]

2 hours ago, rowdyb said:

or just really lean and keep it strong side shoulder. maybe it's cause i'm thin but i can be behind a barricade and shoot my off hand side, staying in cover, with the gun still on my right shoulder.

This. So far I have been able to lean my way out of switching shoulders on barricades. I shot a stage last weekend where I ended up leaning so far the gun was canted almost 90 degrees.

I haven't been able to lean my way out of mandatory strong and weak hand shooting though. Do they have that in IDPA?

[rowdyb]

idpa is still figuring it out, but i'm sure they will address it eventually.

[fishhunter3]

I have no vision in my right eye, so I shoot long guns left handed, raised the Cmore on the pcc a 1/2 inch, and roll my check over a little,  and use my left eye to shoot right handed, work fine for me 

[Odessa Straight]

I've submitted some 2017 rule book comments related to PCC division.  The time for submitting comments is just about over (3 December?). 

 

Add comment(s) around 2.12 for Unload and Show Clear for the carbine instead of 2,12.3.11 (pull trigger) and 2.12.3.12 (holster) to "insert flag safety" and "bag it"..may be "flag it and bag it".

 

Add comment(s) somewhere around 3.1 or around 8.9 about concealment garments with the carbine.. None required?  Required to conceal the magazines? 

 

Add comment(s) somewhere about safety specifically for the carbine transporting it to and from the firing line and from stage to stage.  Such as; always bagged and with flag safety until given the load and make ready and going immediately back into the bag after the unload and show clear. 

 

Of most concern for me is safety with the PCC and specifically not sweeping/ muzzle discipline with it.  Even now after a few months of PCC as a provisional division in USPSA some still just prop their PCC on their range bag and carry it around to and from stages and to and from the firing line muzzle elevated or down (for the most part).  Worse yet from what I've seen sweeping others are those who sling their PCC as a means of transporting it.  3 gun/multi gun is too lax IMHO.  For both IDPA and USPSA my thoughts are to keep safety as close to those arready in place for handguns.  Instead of keeping the handgun in the holster let's keep PCCs in the bag until directed by the SO/RO. (perhaps a shooting cart..but still a bag too .

[Chip3]

http://www.accutact.com/anglesight.html  just use one of these to shoot around barricades

[Rangerdug]

Not to drop the "tactical guy I know" bomb but experienced war fighters can not necessarily master that skill either.

Wow, that is deep! I take it you have a lot "tactical war fighter" experience to base that on!?!


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[dogtired]

I have none.  "But I know a guy" who has been in the Desert conflicts as an Army guy then transitioned to Blackwater etc.  He has vast experience and training and he also can never master the switch shoulder technique.  Some peoples wiring cannot accommodate it.  I have accepted my limitation and use Rowdy's technique.  

 

For those that have trouble with my description, it looks like this to me, both eyes open.

Edited December 4, 2016 by dogtired

[Rangerdug]

I have none.  "But I know a guy" who has been in the Desert conflicts as an Army guy then transitioned to Blackwater etc.  He has vast experience and training and he also can never master the switch shoulder technique.  Some peoples wiring cannot accommodate it.  I have accepted my limitation and use Rowdy's technique.  

 

For those that have trouble with my description, it looks like this to me, both eyes open.

I think you're "friend" is blowing smoke, but that's his issue

All joking aside when you are talking about bad wiring, and based on the picture you are not dealing with this?

Because yeah there's no fixing that.

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[usmc1974]

On 11/16/2016 at 3:16 PM, Southpaw said:

Congrats IDPA, you found a way to make PCC lame 

sounds like it. the 10 round thing is long over gone done. all guns come from the factory with 3 or 4 hi cap mags.

[dogtired]

Where did you find my photo?

http://www.covd.org/?page=sports

Edited December 4, 2016 by dogtired