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That bullet looks great. I have a Lee mold for it, too, but not a six cavity. I once tried some of those 150 grain .38 Lee bullets for my 9mm but didn't like how deeply I had to seat them for them to chamber due to that blunt nose. Since they do chamber in your 9mm that would make a very soft load making PF. I'm thinking the slim ogive of that Lee 9mm bullet allows me to seat it out to recommended OAL cor the 9mm cartridge (especially with the .002 or so added to the nose diameter with the powder coating.

To wish doodie on anybody is not only mean and cold it's just outright sick.

I'm just starting to shoot these RN 9mm in my PCC. https://www.midwayusa.com/product/658356/lee-6-cavity-bullet-mold-356-125-2r-9mm-luger-38-super-380-acp-356-diameter-125-grain-2-ogive-radius I have shoot them in my CZ pistols with great results and they seem to shoot just as well in the PCC. I have very few rejects with the Lee mold using clip-on wheel weights as my bullet alloy. My bullets weigh 129 grains after powder coating them with Harbor Freight red. the powder coat cost about $6.00 a pound and that will coat thousands (OK I'm not sure how many, but lots) of bullets. I shake and bake the powder coating so all I needed for new equipment was a Cool Whip tub and a toaster oven. There is no residue left in the bore other than the normal carbon. It's such a pleasure to powder coat and have clean, non sticky bullets than to conventionally size and lubricate regular cast lead bullets. If you have access to free or cheap wheel weights your ammo coast is greatly reduced with shooting cast lead bullets and powder coating them make them every bit as good as Berry's or other plated bullets out there.

Just because you're in a community of "gun people" doesn't mean there aren't some jerks around . Best to not take insulting comments seriously. Look at how Nimitz responded to negative comments about his post with grace and good humor. Of course, he knows he can shoot circles around those guys and it just doesn't matter. you did get the answer to your question. I hope you get a real PCC and shoot in that division. The more PCCers the better so all MDs see the popularity and allow PCC division at their local matches.

I, too, am a bag man. I've used carts in the past for various shooting games and they were often more trouble than they were worth getting bogged down in the mud or over very uneven ground. Un-bagging when making ready not only is safe it also appears safe to the many non PCC folks at the match. Just the sight of a bare carbine being carried around even if it's flagged and only from a cart to the firing line can cause concern for some. Everyone in USPSA is comfortable with holstered handguns being considered safe to and from the firing line and bagged carbines fit this safety mindset. I'm now making sure to see if a fellow PCC shooter needs someone to take his bag from where he makes ready to the finish point at a match and if I don't know someone there I'll make sure to ask someone bring my bag to the finish point.

Overall weight is also a consideration. A drum? 50 rounds is still 50 rounds in a long box or round one; maybe if doing an Al Capone imitation For shooting Steel Challenge matches everything I've seen, heard, and read indicates the lighter the gun the quicker the transitions. Steel Challenge has 5 plates requiring a very quick draw/presentation and lightning quick transitions.between the plates. I have both my full sized AR 9mm and my S&W M&P 15-22 which is much lighter than the AR 9mm even with no mags inserted. With the light weight of the .22s and mag the 15-22 is easily 1/2 the weight of the AR 9mm. Especially when locked and loaded with that 32-20 mag combination. In practice alternating between the .M&P 15-22 and the AR 9mm it's just so obvious the light one is much quicker on the transitions. OK, maybe it's not completely fair to compare the .22 and the 9mm due to sifferent dot bounce, but at least it can give some indications. I also know that I don't use the 32-20 round mag combination to shoot a steel match, but again, it gives me an indication about weight difference and transitions. Like someone above mentioned. That yuge stick (D. Trump influence) 32-20 mag combination will be in my range bag, but probably won't be used routinely. It's a reliable mag and I'm happy to own it, but will probably use my 20 rounders and 32s more often.

Commission? How about a Wilson? I have 3 ARs from PSA and have been very happy with them all. Like others have mentioned even their "blemished" ones are difficult to find anything I'd call a blemish. The PSA 9mm I shoot for PCC is their 16 inch flat top. It's from before they were using the hybrid Colt/Glock BCG. I think the BCG is a CCMG. I'm very happy with it. I also just received their complete AR MagPull lower on sale for $150.00 shipped advertised as "blemished" . I looked it over very closely at the FFL and couldn't find the blemish. They do seem slower than some parts stores to ship, but I'm a big PSA fan.

Hi Eric, Well, just in some practice with the 32+20 I'm under the impression that it doesn't work for me. Just for simple transitions; eyes snap to the next target, carbine follows but doesn't start nor stop nearly as as quickly as when using a 32 round mag. The most disagreeable part is that "Pendulum effect" you mentioned. the inertia built up with that long and very heavy mag tends to noticeably torque the carbine clockwise or counterclockwise with transitions. Mr. Blagga seems to like his 60 rounders which have got to be about like lugging barbells taped under your carbine Maybe he has retro rockets attached to his mag to arrest the inertia. I'm really thinking a 2 second reload, especially on the move, would be quicker than no reload with many transitions in a long stage with the "pendulum" swinging around under your PCC. I'll try the 32-20 mag coupler in a local match, but I'm already fairly convinced to try a 10 round extension for my 32 round mag.

I've thought about the extensions instead of the TACCOM coupler. My thoughts were that to be worthwhile at least 10 rounds more than the 32 would be needed. I'll have to go back and look at TACOM's 10 round extension. I've used the 32 round mags in numerous local matches and the PCC feels "lively" enough, but the 32 and 20 rounds together seems drastically different. so, may be that 32 and 10 round combination would be good; certainly enough mag capacity for any USPSA stage yet still handy enough for quick transitions.

TACCOM calls it their coupler, but it works more like a mag extension than a mag coupler. Mine combines a 32 round Metalform and a 20 round Metalform and works fine. You do need 3 hands to assemble or, as I did, ask the wife or a kid for some help. I haven't shot a match with it yet, but am thinking the weight and awkward movement swinging the carbine with that long heavy magazine assembly may end up taking more time during a stage of fire than just using the regular 32 round mag to start with and then having to reload once. Has anyone used the TACCOM for a match and if so how did the carbine handle with target transitions?

I'm not Sarge, but here's a video of the DD side charger in action. Click on the picture to the right of the page. http://www.devildogconcepts.com/hard-charger.html You'll see the guy racking the bolt with both over hand and under hand. In the military (at least USMC) we had it hammered into our heads to always charge underhanded so that if a round cooked off while your hand was on the charging handle your thumb/web wouldn't be broken. I'm learning overhand so my finger is pointed down to engage the bolt catch with the bolt held back with the charging handle. My DD side charger continues to get smoother. It was very usable from the first, but does get even smoother with some breaking in. I had to pay the whole retail $154.00 shipped and consider it a great deal. Sarge got it for $139.00 shipped..WOW?

I like mine, big time. I installed it yesterday morning and have been playing around with it enough to know that it is a well made product that will allow me to keep my shooting hand on the pistol grip at all times. I'm having to learn an overhand grasp on the charging handle so my index finger is pointed down to depress the bolt catch, but that's no big deal. The side charger handle is just in the right position for giving you clearance to scoop the carbine up for table starts. Once the bolt is locked back you still need to run and latch the charging handle forward just as you would with the traditional charging handle, but again, no big deal. You can rack the bolt while the AR is shouldered without your hand bashing you in the nose. With me the charging handle (not the side charging handle, the T shaped one at the rear) just lightly touches my lip.This may come in handy if a tap-rack-bang is ever needed. I'll do some more structured dry fire with it and get some live fire on it later this week. Unfortunately my favorite USPSA club is taking a "Winter" beak until the March match so practice is all I'll get with it for a couple of months. Yes, it is well worth the money to me and I'd buy it all over again. In fact, I'm now going to buy one for my 5.56 and I've been using AR traditional charging handles since 1968

rowdyb , If consistent 2 flat reloads with PCC feels glacial then I and everyone I've shoot PCC with (except for one guy) are deep frozen in an Ice Age I have been on the same squad with a Master in PCC and his reloads are smooth and look about 2 seconds, but most of us are 3+. I'm set up with standard PSA AR 9mm using Colt type mags (10 mags and all are 32 rounds). If I stick with those long mags I should give that "beer can" grasp some dry fire time. The pistol reload method of heel on base plate and index finger along the line of bullets aren't working very well for me as those mags are so very long. Most of my "glacial" time seems to be with the actual mag insertion and seating. I'm also thinking about trying shorter mags for the reload and sticking with the palm and finger method like for my pistols. I know you're correct in that you pick a method and then lots and lots of reps. I thought I read you had two identical MPX carbines that you were really pleased. You sold them? May be that was someone else. I haven't read the classified page in a long time as doing that puts my checking account in grave danger.

I welcome the firing pin return spring in my AR 9mm. I hand load for my 9mm with the same very soft small pistol primers as I do with my reduced mainspring pistols. Federals don't take much of a firing pin hit to set them off. I cringe every time I drop the bolt on a round during L&MR. 5.56 primers are harder and mil spec rifle primers are harder than Federal small pistol primers. May be that's why 9mm Ars have the spring.

That's a smoking fast PCC reload, rowdyb. If you're consistent at 2 flat you probably even have some at 1.5. I'm not even close to that with between an inconsistent 3.5 and 4 seconds. Can you elaborate? Like ..stock kept shouldered or in armpit or crook of arm; mag pouch location? I think I remember you shoot a SIG. If you ever make a video of your reload please post it here.

Over the years I've spent most of my money on wild women, whiskey, and guns anything else has been a waste of money.

Brownells sells a CMMG parts kit for the CMMG bolt and supposedly good with all Colt type AR 9mm bolts. I don't know if it's compatable with NFA bolts. It contains firing pin and extractor along with the spring for the firing pin, cotter pin to hold the firing pin, and roll pin for the extractor. I think I could replace the firing pin in between stages at a match, but probably would need more time to replace/ tune the extractor (looks similar to a 1911 extractor). Someday I plan on buying another complete CMMG bolt to keep as a spare.

My Devil Dog side charger came in the mail today. "Mrs. Santa" promptly confiscated, gift wrapped, and put it under the Christmas tree with the strict warning not to even peek at it until the 25th. I haven't had this feeling since I was 12 and had to ogle, until Christmas day, the long shinny package I really thought was that Sheridan Silver Streak 5mm pellet rifle I really wanted. Dad said it was probably just an umbrella (It was the Sheridan which I still have). So, Christmas day I'll slap the side charger on the PCC,and play with it. I'll practice clearing double feeds with snap caps and those table starts with unloaded chamber with bolt forward, and just a smooth ULSC/insert flag safety drill.

If you care anything about your score then everything you do while on the clock should be as smooth and rapid as possible. In the 7 or 8 matches shot with the PCC I've only had to "rapidly" lock the bolt back once . That was to clear a double feed. Ideally you won't need to lock the bolt back during the course of fire, but... What causes me more aggravation with the bolt lock back are for administrative functions while not on the clock like for flag safety and ULSC. I see some not locking back the bolt for ULSC, but they then do lock it back to insert the flag safety which is required (unlike for with a handgun). I like just locking the bolt back for ULSC and then inserting the flag safety. So, for me, it's more an administrative function concern instead of a speed type thing. With the traditional bolt carrier handle and bolt catch I don't feel smooth and , in fact it is clumsy, I don't care who you are

Thanks Rangerdug, you forgot to mention how you get the bolt back, but I know you release your grip with your right hand to drag the carrier handle while pressing the bolt catch with your left. Although it's not all that much quicker I drop the mag and reach under the mag well with my right hand to press the bolt catch while racking the bolt with my left. Still, it's a two hand job and I'm looking for something which enables me to keep my strong (right) hand on the pistol grip. Racking the bolt with the same hand locking it back seems very efficient to me. Right at $155.00 (free shipping, though ), but I paid more for my Troy Alpha rail, and other AR parts. I still haven't got my hi-speed trigger yet as I wanted this side charger first and those triggers cost big bucks. As far as the MPX, I don't see a Hard Charger for it on their web site, but I've seen MPXs in operation and they look very sweet, floppy charging handle and all.

So, Rangerdoug, how do YOU lock the bolt back with the traditional charging handle without resembling a monkey playing with a football. You went through some well thought out points against side chargers, but my main hope for the side charger is simply a quicker and smoother way to lock the bolt back. I've heard of that MagPull BAD lever and considered it, but finally decided on the side charger. This side charger is a Christmas present from my wife. She's already paid for it, so thanks for the recommendations to try something else, but... well, I'm committed to using it now

"The traditional AR charging handle method of locking back the bolt is not ideal for our shooting sports. " That's the reason I'm giving the side charger a go. Just charging isn't the problem it's having to go through the clumsy "fire drill" locking the bolt back with the traditional charging handle that's the problem. Specifically what convinced me to try side charging was when I had to lock the bolt back in order to remove two miss-fed rounds from the receiver. Both of the PPC shooters I've talked with who use the Devil Dog Hard Charger think it's a vast improvement over the trational charger. One minor complaint is that in the USMC we were taught to always charge with your palm underhand so as not to hav3e your thumb and the web of your hand smashed if there should be a cook-off. In order to activate the bolt lock with the support hand while also retracting the bolt with the support hand you've got to grab it overhand (so your fingers are pointed down to press the bolt catch. There are U tube videos showing the Hard Charger being used in comparison to the traditional charger for standard tap-rack-bang drills, but I haven't seen any showing the clearing of a double feed. I'm thinking that clearing a double feed or anytime elsewhere the action requires to be locked back is where the side charger will shine.

I asked for a Christmas present (it's inbound, I saw the tracking number ). http://www.devildogconcepts.com/hard-charger.html The traditional AR charging handle method of locking back the bolt is not ideal for our shooting sports. My Ar has been very reliable, but I did have a malfunction when a mag didn't fully seat causing a feeding failure and when I tapped and racked again and double fed. To clear this I had to take my shooting hand from the grip to pull back the charging handle again while using my support hand to press the bolt catch. Clearing that malfunction took forever and mostly it was because of the AR charging handle and bolt release locations. I like to lock the bolt back for ULSC and it's the same clumsy drill for that, too (but not under the clock). With a side charger where you can keep your shooting hand on the pistol grip and racking the bolt while locking it back with the support hand I'm thinking these issues will be resolved. A dedicated side charger AR upper receiver is very expensive. The Devil dog Hard Charger is a fraction of that cost. I'll give it a trial and report about my thoughts for it's suitability for USPSA competitions..and IDPA, too, if they really make PCC a Division in IDPA next year.

I've submitted some 2017 rule book comments related to PCC division. The time for submitting comments is just about over (3 December?). Add comment(s) around 2.12 for Unload and Show Clear for the carbine instead of 2,12.3.11 (pull trigger) and 2.12.3.12 (holster) to "insert flag safety" and "bag it"..may be "flag it and bag it". Add comment(s) somewhere around 3.1 or around 8.9 about concealment garments with the carbine.. None required? Required to conceal the magazines? Add comment(s) somewhere about safety specifically for the carbine transporting it to and from the firing line and from stage to stage. Such as; always bagged and with flag safety until given the load and make ready and going immediately back into the bag after the unload and show clear. Of most concern for me is safety with the PCC and specifically not sweeping/ muzzle discipline with it. Even now after a few months of PCC as a provisional division in USPSA some still just prop their PCC on their range bag and carry it around to and from stages and to and from the firing line muzzle elevated or down (for the most part). Worse yet from what I've seen sweeping others are those who sling their PCC as a means of transporting it. 3 gun/multi gun is too lax IMHO. For both IDPA and USPSA my thoughts are to keep safety as close to those arready in place for handguns. Instead of keeping the handgun in the holster let's keep PCCs in the bag until directed by the SO/RO. (perhaps a shooting cart..but still a bag too .

Maybe it would have been better to add after "essential": ."if you want to shoot at anything above C class". I almost typed D, but heck, you can shoot a slingshot and shoot D If you have age challenged or other issues related to eyesight chalk an optic up as essential. To shoot some stages (if they are designed without a mandatory reload) without a reload 40 rounds comes pretty close. Sure you could use a 20 round mag and do a reload, but again..if it's essential for you to score your best you'll go faster without the reload. Same for LRBHO. It's essential to save time if you ever run dry. If you never run dry maybe it's not so essential although I don't know of anyone who has never run dry. A loaded chamber reload is certainly quicker and preferred, but a slide/bolt lock reload is a good skill to learn for USPSA and (like you wrote) there will be many of them in IDPA. I guess you could take the "essential" or "convenient" to the extreme and think a trigger return spring is merely convenient and not essential because you can always put forward pressure on the trigger with your finger, or wrap a rubber band around the trigger to keep the forward pressure. I do think there are some PCC convenient only items and some tacticool items that are actually a detriment for PCC.