cpa5oh Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 Does anyone make completely custom pistol barrels? I'd want to send an example and have a duplicate made with one change (a rib, or whatever you'd call it, like Schuemann puts on the top of some of their barrels). Cost wouldn't be an issue - I'd happily pay whatever the maker asked for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 Why not just buy one from Scheumann? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpa5oh Posted August 13, 2016 Author Share Posted August 13, 2016 The gun is not a 1911/2011. It's a CZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garmil Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 Have you seen any cz built like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpa5oh Posted August 13, 2016 Author Share Posted August 13, 2016 I have not. But I own a 2011 without a sight tracker and recently shot a sight tracker and it was a big improvement (my opinion). Still like my Tactical Sports better, and if it cost under $2K to have a barrel made I'd still be under the cost of a 2011 so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 (edited) Sight Trackers are usually 5.4" long, so the added sight radius helps. You cannot get a long slide for a TS, so what would be the benefit? For a 5" gun the "advantage" of a sight tracker is that since it is affixed directly to the slide, you eliminate play in the bushing or barrel/slide fit and are more accurate. I can tell you that is not the case, in my experience. If your slide/barrel fit and all the other lockup point are not fit properly and closely, the barrel will jump upon firing and you still won't know where the shot would go. Having already done so, I can tell you for a lead pipe cinch that you can drastically improve the accuracy of your TS, or any similar CZ by fitting a custom bushing. For example, I made an Open upper for my TS and had the devil of a time trying to improve accuracy. With the comp on the barrel it was even worse. I was getting 6-8" groups at 15 yards. There was .008" difference between the barrel OD and the bushing ID. I had a new, custom one made, but it didn't work. It was too tight and had to be reprofiled for the TS (we were thinking 1911). The second one came out perfect. Without the comp the same barrel now shot same hole groups at 15 yards. I next had a custom bushing made for the two comps so it would match the barrel threads better. With the comp bushing and Loctite, the barrel/comp shot to one very small hole at 15 yards. So my suggestion would be to have a custom bushing made. It will cost you about $100 and is well worth it. If you are not concerned about meeting requirements for some shoots, you can buy the Cajun Gunworks bushing and be done with it. Edited August 13, 2016 by zzt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpa5oh Posted August 13, 2016 Author Share Posted August 13, 2016 Thanks ZZT. I already have the Cajun bushing in both of my TS's. For a while I had the Cajun bushing in only one of my TS's - I noticed no difference in accuracy between the two in practical shooting (didn't bag the guns and look for small differences in groups). You lost me on the sight tracker discussion when you said "since it affixed directly to the slide" - we may be talking about completely different things. I'm talking about the sight being attached to the end of the barrel, not the slide. And the 2011 with the sight attached to the end of the barrel was an STI Apeiro, which I think has a shorter sight radius than my Tactical Sports do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgj3 Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 OP is correct in that there are many 5" "sight trackers" out there. Yes, sight would be affixed to the barrel rib in the tracker configuration. Never heard of someone making totally custom pistol barrels, but it aounds like the type of problem that could be solver by throwing plenty of cash at it... And, this brings up an interesting question in my mind... How are the ribbed barrels made? Turn down barrel and then weld on rib? Or just machine the rib and barrel in a single piece? What would be the order of operations in the process? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpa5oh Posted August 14, 2016 Author Share Posted August 14, 2016 "Never heard of someone making totally custom pistol barrels, but it aounds like the type of problem that could be solver by throwing plenty of cash at it... " Yep, I'm trying to find out where to send a check :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIIID Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Before spending big money on a one piece barrel, trying doing it with a cone sleeve with a rib. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpa5oh Posted August 14, 2016 Author Share Posted August 14, 2016 Rich, any interest in taking on the project? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogtired Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 It seems you could also do the Taylor Freelance style sight tracker on a threaded barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpa5oh Posted August 14, 2016 Author Share Posted August 14, 2016 Not sure that there is a .40 CZ barrel that extends longer than the stock barrel. I'll have to look to see if there is one and if there is, that's an option. I kinda didn't want the gun to be longer than it is stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolguy Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Briley makes excellent barrels for Tac Sport and EAA Witness. No ribs on them though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpa5oh Posted August 14, 2016 Author Share Posted August 14, 2016 (edited) i don't see a barrel for the tac sport listed on brileys website? Edited August 14, 2016 by cpa5oh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 The easiest way to achieve a stationary front sight on a TS is to cut back the slide, thread the barrel and install the front sight block from a Czechmate.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 cpa, I meant barrel, not slide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpa5oh Posted August 14, 2016 Author Share Posted August 14, 2016 2 hours ago, kneelingatlas said: The easiest way to achieve a stationary front sight on a TS is to cut back the slide, thread the barrel and install the front sight block from a Czechmate.  I'd be very happy with that...not sure how long that sight block is, but you can only cut back about half an inch before you run into serial number (on a stock TS)...and I assume a gunsmith/machine shop would have to machine the end of the slide out to receive that cone on the sight block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caspian guy Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 when scheuman was starting out I believe the rib was a seprate piece that was silver soldered onto the barrel, then the ports were put in. the rib doesn't look like it would be too challenging to make and I am sure the right gunsmith could do it for you. Having said that I wouldn't see the point for what you want unless you were going to port the rib... the advice above to thread the barrel and put on a sight block is a better approach I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 I know of one guy in the world who makes full custom CZ barrels. His name is Ray Pulver and he runs Holland Precision Barrels (was called Lisner barrels). The only downsides are 1, he is in Australia (though I believe he does export to the US) and 2, they are not cheap (though if paying in USD to AUD you'll get a decent gain on the currency). He primarily makes barrels for bianchi cup shooters (mainly 1911's and EAA/tanfoglio's). But I believe he now does make CZ barrels. Fitting is not for the faint hearted though. They are oversize in just about every dimension you can think of. On the upside his barrels have a reputation of being up there with the best in the world for 1911's. Their accuracy potential is pretty well undisputed. Having said all that I think kneelingatlas' idea is the way to go. Get a 6inch straight barrel for your TS. get the CM sight block (I bet plenty of CM shooters only shoot it in open config and would probably sell you one cheap), get barrel cut, crowned and threaded and modify slide and frame to suit. That's probably the way I'd do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogtired Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 Atlas, that CZ is a thing of beauty. Who built it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EngineerEli Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 Pretty sure the gun Atlas posted is actually a checkmate as sold. You get two barrels with them, one with a threaded comp, and one with a threaded front sight block. (sight tracker style without the rib) From CZ-USA website as sold: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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