List of 100% Hit Factors

[johnsons1480]

I have open, limited, and production done. I'll work on the others when I get a chance.

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=506e287bd0d987e0!976&authkey=!AHZOI1GBf97LXMs&ithint=file%2cxlsx

Link is still valid, but now I have all of the divisions done

[motosapiens]

Thanks for doing that. You have saved me some trouble.

[johnsons1480]

Thanks for doing that. You have saved me some trouble.

Happy to help. If anyone sees discrepancies when they look at their actual scores, send me the classifier, division, and date and I'll look into changing it.

[bikerburgess]

Once the full list is completed we should ask the moderators to put it in its own sticky thread so it will be easy to access.

[Thomas H]

I have open, limited, and production done. I'll work on the others when I get a chance.

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=506e287bd0d987e0!976&authkey=!AHZOI1GBf97LXMs&ithint=file%2cxlsx

Link is still valid, but now I have all of the divisions done

Appreciate the work!

Apparently on 99-22, 99-43, and 06-10, Limited-10 and Single Stack shooters are expected to get higher scores than the Open shooters.

And in the 99 series and the 03 series, Single Stack shooters are ALWAYS expected to do better than Production shooters. Because Major scoring is more important that reload times, perhaps? (Actually, in the entire list, Production scores are lower that SS scores for all but five classifiers. Huh. I'd think that given that we expect pretty much all A-hits, that reload times there would make a difference.)

[zhunter]

Thanks!!!

[CZinZA]

Now if only we could get the same thing for the ipsc classifiers.....

[johnsons1480]

I have open, limited, and production done. I'll work on the others when I get a chance.

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=506e287bd0d987e0!976&authkey=!AHZOI1GBf97LXMs&ithint=file%2cxlsx

Link is still valid, but now I have all of the divisions done

Appreciate the work!

Apparently on 99-22, 99-43, and 06-10, Limited-10 and Single Stack shooters are expected to get higher scores than the Open shooters.

And in the 99 series and the 03 series, Single Stack shooters are ALWAYS expected to do better than Production shooters. Because Major scoring is more important that reload times, perhaps? (Actually, in the entire list, Production scores are lower that SS scores for all but five classifiers. Huh. I'd think that given that we expect pretty much all A-hits, that reload times there would make a difference.)

Very interesting observations. Does anyone have any data on 06-10? My numbers are right for production, but that hit factor is significantly lower than the other iron sighted divisions. It's also strange that limited and open are lower than Single Stack and Limited 10 for that one. Those numbers don't look right, but I double checked them.

ETA: I think the 99 and 03 series of single stack HHFs came from limited 10 HHFs. The HHFs were likely set with 2011s with magwells, so the reload would be easier than production.

Edited April 3, 2015 by johnsons1480

[johnsons1480]

Other observations.

In the 99 series of classifiers, production is 95% of the limited HHF on all except for CM99-08, 12, and 33. On CM99-33, Production is 95% of Single Stack and Limited 10, which are 95% of Limited.

In the 03 series, except for CM03-02 and 18, the Production HHF are 85% of the limited HHFs.

Production has the highest HHF of the iron sight divisions for CM06-07, CM08-03, CM13-02, and CM13-05.

[bikerburgess]

Thanks for doing all that number crunching,

Too bad the main office could not get that done, I imagine it would have been easier for them to do without having to calculate all the answers.

[johnsons1480]

Thanks for doing all that number crunching,

Too bad the main office could not get that done, I imagine it would have been easier for them to do without having to calculate all the answers.

Not a problem. I suppose they don't produce these numbers because they don't feel like answering the questions we've been asking here. Some of these numbers are just odd.

[bikerburgess]

I think your right,

[MikeRush]

I have open, limited, and production done. I'll work on the others when I get a chance.

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=506e287bd0d987e0!976&authkey=!AHZOI1GBf97LXMs&ithint=file%2cxlsx

Link is still valid, but now I have all of the divisions done

Appreciate the work!

Apparently on 99-22, 99-43, and 06-10, Limited-10 and Single Stack shooters are expected to get higher scores than the Open shooters.

And in the 99 series and the 03 series, Single Stack shooters are ALWAYS expected to do better than Production shooters. Because Major scoring is more important that reload times, perhaps? (Actually, in the entire list, Production scores are lower that SS scores for all but five classifiers. Huh. I'd think that given that we expect pretty much all A-hits, that reload times there would make a difference.)

For the 99s, these were established prior to the formation of Production or Single Stack divisions. SS scores were based on Limited or L10 HHFs, and production scores were as well but backed off 5%.

It seems a few may have been updated, but generally, for the 99s, they will come in right at 95% of the Ltd or L10 classifiers.

Its one of the reasons you see many prod GMs that are not GMs in other divisions.

I've done some probing, and I've seen many 100%+ runs where the HHF isn't updated. The HHF is generally based on the stage winner, in that division, at the major where the stage surfaced, right?

[Smitty79]

Hey BikerB. How about you post this at your classifiers? You are near perfect match director. This would put you over the top.

[bikerburgess]

I'll see what I can do

[Chills1994]

Here's everything for production division from classifiercalc.com

Classifier,100% HF

99-02,6.904599153

99-06,7.014811775

99-07,6.258977721

99-08,8.058472275

99-09,4.358001072

99-10,9.024985673

99-11,10.26114617

99-12,8.111484239

99-13,8.739998165

99-14,6

99-16,9.024985673

99-19,6.218035412

99-21,11.1746202

99-22,10.1258645

99-23,12.70405895

99-24,11.41265892

99-27,5.682706105

99-28,9.276179698

99-33,9.024985673

99-34,10.06998641

99-36,6.867070679

99-39,6.270005235

99-40,7.5

99-41,9.740987152

99-42,9.10021613

99-43,6.88046567

99-45,6.459990052

99-46,9.525351724

99-47,5.963704892

99-48,9.829845377

99-50,8.075000606

99-51,7.151796889

99-52,6.902907159

99-53,8.083910996

99-55,9.975012593

99-56,8.075000606

99-57,7.505028369

99-58,7.894030534

99-59,6.507705123

99-60,4.780388932

99-61,4.750007125

99-62,11.5900372

99-63,5.044594213

03-02,6.000006

03-03,6.971604654

03-04,8.328197611

03-05,8.43252086

03-07,7.347916498

03-08,8.762513965

03-09,9.63990148

03-10,5.806914293

03-11,5.910008304

03-12,6.217803437

03-14,6.666666

03-18,7.989007126

06-01,8.264496961

06-02,7.110302117

06-03,16.63893511

06-04,12.7000254

06-05,11.68831928

06-06,7.680019661

06-07,8.287304264

06-08,10.86962429

06-09,7.659988433

06-10,8.474612181

06-11,8.636436261

08-01,5.929597884

08-02,6.773002811

08-03,10.20002244

08-04,12.42313187

08-05,6

08-06,5

09-01,6.66667

09-02,10.5000105

09-03,7.699651976

09-04,10.69999358

09-05,5.71429

09-07,6.5000065

09-08,7.936318977

09-09,6

09-10,9.666599

09-11,5.61800909

09-12,7.70267668

09-13,8.25000825

09-14,8.055518634

13-01,9.342607428

13-02,9.456309486

13-03,5.288906519

13-04,10.51309143

13-05,10.84069597

13-07,10.75153209

13-08,9.342607428

Awesome! Thanks!

[justpaul]

Great thread ! Thx everyone

[cnote]

Nice, now I know how slow I actually am in real time

[Prov1x]

For Can You Count CM 06-03 in Single Stack I know the classifiercalc doesn't do it correctly or cmcalc.

The last two times I have shot it I scored

100 points in 8.10 seconds and a 12.3457 hit factor...cm or cc had it at 75%ish and it actually came out to a 84.6733%

This month 100 points in 7.42 seconds and a 13.4771 hit factor...cm or cc had it at 80%ish and it actually came out to a ? (since the updates hasn't been ran for April yet) but I am guessing based off of the last % difference that it should be in the low 90% range.?

[Nik Habicht]

I have open, limited, and production done. I'll work on the others when I get a chance.

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=506e287bd0d987e0!976&authkey=!AHZOI1GBf97LXMs&ithint=file%2cxlsx

Link is still valid, but now I have all of the divisions done

Appreciate the work!

Apparently on 99-22, 99-43, and 06-10, Limited-10 and Single Stack shooters are expected to get higher scores than the Open shooters.

And in the 99 series and the 03 series, Single Stack shooters are ALWAYS expected to do better than Production shooters. Because Major scoring is more important that reload times, perhaps? (Actually, in the entire list, Production scores are lower that SS scores for all but five classifiers. Huh. I'd think that given that we expect pretty much all A-hits, that reload times there would make a difference.)

Very interesting observations. Does anyone have any data on 06-10? My numbers are right for production, but that hit factor is significantly lower than the other iron sighted divisions. It's also strange that limited and open are lower than Single Stack and Limited 10 for that one. Those numbers don't look right, but I double checked them.

ETA: I think the 99 and 03 series of single stack HHFs came from limited 10 HHFs. The HHFs were likely set with 2011s with magwells, so the reload would be easier than production.

For 06-10 check the major matches for that year for a stage of the same name. Odds are the High Hit Factors were set off match results at a Nationals or Area match.....

[johnsons1480]

For Can You Count CM 06-03 in Single Stack I know the classifiercalc doesn't do it correctly or cmcalc.

The last two times I have shot it I scored

100 points in 8.10 seconds and a 12.3457 hit factor...cm or cc had it at 75%ish and it actually came out to a 84.6733%

This month 100 points in 7.42 seconds and a 13.4771 hit factor...cm or cc had it at 80%ish and it actually came out to a ? (since the updates hasn't been ran for April yet) but I am guessing based off of the last % difference that it should be in the low 90% range.?

14.58039 is what I'm calculating for the HHF. Let me know what you end up with when the April run happens. It should be about 92.4331%

[johnsons1480]

For 06-10 check the major matches for that year for a stage of the same name. Odds are the High Hit Factors were set off match results at a Nationals or Area match.....

The stage was designed by the Nationals Design Team, but I can't pull the match results. When I click the link on the USPSA website, "Click to view results uploaded prior to October 1, 2010," it gives me a page under construction message. If anyone has the results in a spreadsheet or knows where to find them I would be happy to take a look.

[trgt]

Does USPSA 'care' if someone makes it available as a resource or guide (that can been viewed offline) separate from what the online calculators do?

[zhunter]

Does USPSA 'care' if someone makes it available as a resource or guide (that can been viewed offline) separate from what the online calculators do?

I believe WE the members ARE USPSA!

And I'm pretty sure we would all like it!

[motosapiens]

(Actually, in the entire list, Production scores are lower that SS scores for all but five classifiers. Huh. I'd think that given that we expect pretty much all A-hits, that reload times there would make a difference.)

I'd like to visit your planet sometime. It would be nice to expect all A-hits. Here on earth, most people don't shoot all A-s on most classifiers, especially if they are shooting major, where it's usually advantageous to speed up enough that you get a few charlies.

I have some experience shooting production, SS minor and SS major. For me personally, it's a wash between production and ss-minor, but SS major definitely has a scoring advantage on most classifiers.