NicVerAZ Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I'd like to shoot IDPA again but I currently shoot an X-Calibur. I've been told that it could be banned from shooting SSP because of the barrel, which is not exactly a cone barrel, but could be interpreted as being one. It is all stock, by the way, no work was done to it and the barrel is stock. I'd like to know before I join a State championship and realize I can't shoot my gun there. This is what the barrel looks like: Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jroback Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 FWIW, I did send an email to IDPA with this exact question. Never got a response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac4wordplay Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Looks like a fluted cone barrel - key words being "cone barrel". I'm curious to see how IDPA responds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicVerAZ Posted March 23, 2015 Author Share Posted March 23, 2015 Looks like a fluted cone barrel - key words being "cone barrel". I'm curious to see how IDPA responds. If they ever do. They are very, very frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal82 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I would think SSP if there are more than 2000 units made a year. This would not make ESP rules due to the Cone barrel, unless it makes SSP first and then can play in ESP as a SSP gun with no other modifications. 8.2.1.1.1 Have a minimum annual production of 2,000 units. Discontinued models must have had a total production of 20,000 units. 8.2.1.1.2 Be semi-automatic. 8.2.1.1.3 Be double action, double action only, or striker fired. 8.2.1.1.4 Use 9 mm (9x19) or larger cartridges. 8.2.1.1.5 The unloaded firearm with the heaviest magazine must weigh 43.00 oz. (1219.0 grams) or less. 8.2.1.1.6 The firearm with the largest magazine inserted must fit in the IDPA gun test box measuring 8 ¾” x 6” x 1 5 /8” (222.3 mm x 152.4 mm x 41.3 mm.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicVerAZ Posted March 24, 2015 Author Share Posted March 24, 2015 I am not really sure this can be qualified as a cone barrel. IDPA does not give a definition of what a cone barrel really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Go for it. If you like the gun and get into the match, what is the worst that can happen? You get a technical DQ? It won't be for safety so you'll still get to shoot the whole match. Keep score yourself if that happens as no matter what you'd still get to shoot. And having shot Tuscon, Prescott and Phoenix state IDPA matches in the past few years you're not going to get that extensive of a tech inspection. Or even chrono half the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicVerAZ Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 My guess exactly. I am going to just go ahead and shoot and have fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hangin Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Did you ever email IDPA HQ on this as I am interested in the answer myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicVerAZ Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 Did you ever email IDPA HQ on this as I am interested in the answer myself. I did. No answer. The thing is, if I am DQ-ed on this technicality, I can always appeal with IDPA and bring proof of my emails to them and the fact they never replied. But it's such a small outfit, I understand they are probably swamped and not really ready to address every single rule question from their members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hangin Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Yeah I bet they have plenty emails after the new rule book, revision and the large matches going on right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal82 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Go shoot it at a local match, shouldn't be an issue. I would verify before taking it to a sanctioned match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck s Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 There is little doubt about its legality. It is a cone barrel and longer than allowed, so it is not legal. Having said that, you can still enjoy shooting it, but knowing it is not legal and trying to sneak by is probably not the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicVerAZ Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) There is little doubt about its legality. It is a cone barrel and longer than allowed, so it is not legal. Having said that, you can still enjoy shooting it, but knowing it is not legal and trying to sneak by is probably not the way to go. "A cone is a three-dimensional geometric shape that tapers smoothly from a flat base (frequently, though not necessarily, circular) to a point called the apex or vertex." Where do you see that it tapes smoothly? Consider the fact that it tapes smoothly then breaks abruptly in a 45 degrees angle. I do not think it is a cone barrel. Edited March 30, 2015 by NicVerAZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterpuc Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Worst case register as NFC division. I wouldn't stop you from shooting, that is what NFC is for. Enjoy shooting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicVerAZ Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 I am not going to register as NFC, there is no point in this division. I am trying to find out what IDPA will say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck s Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 There is little doubt about its legality. It is a cone barrel and longer than allowed, so it is not legal. Having said that, you can still enjoy shooting it, but knowing it is not legal and trying to sneak by is probably not the way to go. "A cone is a three-dimensional geometric shape that tapers smoothly from a flat base (frequently, though not necessarily, circular) to a point called the apex or vertex." Where do you see that it tapes smoothly? Consider the fact that it tapes smoothly then breaks abruptly in a 45 degrees angle. I do not think it is a cone barrel. fatter at the muzzel, skinnier further back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moneypenny Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 ever find anything out from IDPA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicVerAZ Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 Nothing heard yet. Be sure that I will post either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valerko Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I'm wondering the same thing currently shooting CZ 75 SP01 SHADOW in ESP , but got X-calibur waiting in LGS for paperwork and would like to use it for IDPA . I know its production legal in USPSA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicVerAZ Posted May 4, 2015 Author Share Posted May 4, 2015 I would shoot it in ESP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moneypenny Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 This like the Stock 2, CZ accushadow, and a few other great produciton guns will never be IDPA legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicVerAZ Posted May 22, 2015 Author Share Posted May 22, 2015 (edited) The official answer is "No" because cone barrel > 4.25" It is illegal in every division. Edited May 22, 2015 by NicVerAZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac4wordplay Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 The official answer is "No" because cone barrel > 4.25" It is illegal in every division. No surprise there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 The official answer is "No" because cone barrel > 4.25" It is illegal in every division. Because IDPA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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