ron169 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Just so you know, the overall production numbers don't work, shows open results instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euxx Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Yeah, all divisions are on the same page. You need to scroll down to Production section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron169 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Yeah, all divisions are on the same page. You need to scroll down to Production section. Ok, got you, appreciate your hard work on that! Kind of interesting to see folks like Dave S. Doing that much better with a second bite at the Apple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGus Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I agree with Atilla. I understand the trend and dont need that explained. I'd like clarification on Leatham's "needs to be addressed" comment? What exactly does that mean? That only striker fired guns should be allowed in Production, like an XDm for example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGO Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I agree with Atilla. I understand the trend and dont need that explained. I'd like clarification on Leatham's "needs to be addressed" comment? What exactly does that mean? That only striker fired guns should be allowed in Production, like an XDm for example? No, that's not what I mean. Why, do you think that? Or do you think that's what I mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braxton1 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Not speaking for anyone else, but IMHO, what "needs to be addressed" is IPSC's 5 lb. trigger pull rule. It is the prime reason why DA/SA guns have the advantage. A Tanfo or CZ only needs to have a 5 lb. pull for the first shot. The rest of them can be 2 lb. Single-Action shots. A striker-fired gun, like a Glock, XDm, or HK would have to have a 5 lb. pull for every shot, since the trigger pull is the same for shot #1 thru shot #15. This rule pretty much says "Get a great trigger job done to your Tanfo or CZ, but plastic guns must run factory stuff". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGus Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I agree with Atilla. I understand the trend and dont need that explained. I'd like clarification on Leatham's "needs to be addressed" comment? What exactly does that mean? That only striker fired guns should be allowed in Production, like an XDm for example? No, that's not what I mean. Why, do you think that? Or do you think that's what I mean? I have no idea what you meant by your comment? That's why I was wanting clarity. Is USPSA addressing DA/SA guns in Production? Or is their a faction of shooters in USPSA that feel it needs to be addressed? The comment of "needs to be addressed" regarding DA/SA makes me think that might be the case. USPSA isn't going to listen to me, but they will listen to someone of your stature and accomplishments within the sport. I shoot a DA/SA gun in Production, so some clarity on the comment would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHA-LEE Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 In case anyone interested, here are match results on PractiScore: IPSC World Shoot XVII 2014 (Unofficial, recalculated in PractiScore) https://practiscore.com/results.php?uuid=fb758bb0-3daf-4742-938c-8bbf2ab58fd1 2014 US IPSC Nationals https://practiscore.com/results.php?uuid=66450e61-23a2-4206-bf5a-dfbcda04ef38 Combined IPSC World Shoot XVII 2014 + US IPSC Nationals 2014 https://practiscore.com/results.php?uuid=a97bef10-27f3-4f87-be6e-b2d4c5e263bc The last one combines stage results from both matches and overall results are recalculated based on the best stage HFs from two matches. Competitors marked with "*" have shot US IPSC Nationals match. Thanks for pulling that together. That shows some interesting data points. Most of the guys that shot the Nationals portion did better on their second go around. I wonder how much of this performance improvement is attributed to simply getting a second chance to shoot the stages again and deploying different tactics or just being more comfortable with what to expect for the stages, or if the pressure of performing was a lesser magnitude so they performed better in a more relaxed mental or physical state? I don't think its a realistic comparison to validate imaginary "Wins" for shooters performances on their second go around. I am sure that many other shooters would be able to perform better if they got a chance to reshoot the match under conditions that were a lot less pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beltjones Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 In case anyone interested, here are match results on PractiScore: IPSC World Shoot XVII 2014 (Unofficial, recalculated in PractiScore) https://practiscore.com/results.php?uuid=fb758bb0-3daf-4742-938c-8bbf2ab58fd1 2014 US IPSC Nationals https://practiscore.com/results.php?uuid=66450e61-23a2-4206-bf5a-dfbcda04ef38 Combined IPSC World Shoot XVII 2014 + US IPSC Nationals 2014 https://practiscore.com/results.php?uuid=a97bef10-27f3-4f87-be6e-b2d4c5e263bc The last one combines stage results from both matches and overall results are recalculated based on the best stage HFs from two matches. Competitors marked with "*" have shot US IPSC Nationals match. Thanks for pulling that together. That shows some interesting data points. Most of the guys that shot the Nationals portion did better on their second go around. I wonder how much of this performance improvement is attributed to simply getting a second chance to shoot the stages again and deploying different tactics or just being more comfortable with what to expect for the stages, or if the pressure of performing was a lesser magnitude so they performed better in a more relaxed mental or physical state? I don't think its a realistic comparison to validate imaginary "Wins" for shooters performances on their second go around. I am sure that many other shooters would be able to perform better if they got a chance to reshoot the match under conditions that were a lot less pressure. I agree. It's certainly not valid to give much credence to a "win" on a second go-around, such as KC beating Max on his second go-around or Dave beating Nils. However, I remain impressed that Eric beat Max by such a wide margin. Sure, it was his second attempt at the stages, but he did it with an Open gun which is a different beast than a Production gun, with a different sighting system, different stage plans, etc. There is little doubt in my mind that Eric could have, and would have beaten Max in Open if he shot the WS with an Open gun, not that it takes away from Max's accomplishment in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NPSS Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 It's weird how outcast TDA guns used to be in production. Now because good shooters are using them, they are stirring up all kinds of feels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beltjones Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 It's weird how outcast TDA guns used to be in production. Now because good shooters are using them, they are stirring up all kinds of feels. Not really. Have you compared one of the "outcast" Sig / Beretta / S&W / etc DA triggers to a CZ or Tanfo? The DA triggers in the CZ / Tanfo are much better, and frankly aren't that much harder to shoot than a tuned Production-legal striker trigger. I would rather shoot my CZ DA trigger for every shot than a stock Glock trigger. Then when you compare the CZ / Tanfo SA triggers to the SA triggers in the Sig / Beretta / S&W it gets even more "unfair." In other words, the DA/SA guns used today are much, much better than those that were shunned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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