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No, that's not what I mean. Why, do you think that? Or do you think that's what I mean?

It is not me.

This is the problem with these forums. Someone comes in and says something that is untrue, like I have posted on the doodie forum. They state info they are in no way correct about as though it is truth when it is a lie. That is what goes on on that other forum. Which is why I do not go there. I'm assuming that I wasn't at first being called a smartass but now assume I am being called that. This may be true but the poster doesn't know me and from what he has written earlier shows me where both his skill and knowledge in the sport is. Please keep these entrees on the other forums where they are appreciated. The Enos forums aren't a place for that. To be clear: the triggers on the da/sa guns are very light in sa mode. Very few da shots are fired and the gun is very heavy and kicks lightly.

You have NEVER seen me post on That other forum. It doesn't deserve your time.

No, Just everyone besides Eric is....

The trigger on Eric's gun is exceptional, not anything you are expecting it to be. Some have trouble lifting 5 lbs on da pull. They are very heavy and on many stages gun started empty so no DA shot was ever fired. IPSC rules (Not USPSA) are weighted to favor the da/sa guns and the Tanfoglio's being shot have a distinct advantage. Being competitive with other than a da/sa platform seems unlikely to me. This issue is cokming home to USPSA also amd needs to be addressed. The results confirm this. 9 is not more accurate than .40, but easier to shoot due to less recoil.

Unless that was the point, to learn what would cause those results so that you can avoid repeating. Never be afraid to fail when practicing. It's necessary in fact to regularly go beyond limits of control in order to push those limits further.

Or the shoes??

The natural ability thing is real. Everyone has some, some just have more. It's what is done with it and how it is developed that matters. I have trained many, many shooters and not all have the same basic tools, plus not everyone is wired the same. A really top level shooter, as in champion at the top of any discipline has incredible physical co-ordination, and not just hand eye. They know where their feet are, and what their weight distribution is at all times and have excellent balance. They are physically strong, and I do not mean fit. Few are exceptionally light or small. There are some who are exceptions to some of these observations, but not all of them. All have a drive to train and excel while training. All are driven to excel under pressure and hate failing. All see the sacrifices they make to reach the top levels as acceptable, when many others would not. Those that stay relevant for extended periods of time truly love the equipment, practicing and the environment at the matches and feel very comfortable around others like them. They almost all do what they do out of an insatiable desire to perfect and perform the skills they need. Speculation of what it takes to get to this level seldom centers around the core elements. It is natural ability, but that is a starting point. Natural ability undeveloped will not create a champion. Interestingly, I see natural ability frequently, it is not uncommon. Having the "heart and commitment" is most rare. By the way, another curious observation; when an exceptional shooter performs at an exceptional level, it isn't special to them. They have of course experienced the feeling many times before and are expecting greatness to happen, not surprised by it....

Oh Steve, you just wanna keep those 55 year old youngsters out of your class?? I get the idea, and I'm sure I'll agree with you when I'm looking at 60 instead of 55 ! However, in reality we need to adopt motocross age groups. 30+, 40+ etc... I think the IPSC 50 years of age for senior is about right. USPSA modified that to 55 as we in the states have a lot more old folks (like me) shooting than in other countries. The eyes going matter less on the easier shots we routinely have here than ellsewhere. I just returned from Sweden where I visited but did not shoot, a big IPSC event where the average difficulty of targets was probably twice what I routinely see in the states. And I might add, they used the two smaller scale targets routinely. Never any 5 yard shots on the fullsize targets. They used of course the other target we seldom see without the head which is of itself smaller than the target we routinely have here. It was a much harder cof for iron sights, and much more athletic. You could understand why a 50 year old with glasses would want the senior division to start as early as possible.

Wrong. Why don't you read the proposal? It has NOTHING to do with Open. I am trying to grow participation in the sport, this type of setup is going to be more prevalent, by getting out ahead of that growth with a clearly defined division USPSA has an opportunity to help grow that market and increase membership. I get that there are a few on this forum that are vehemently opposed to any new division and will try their best to prevent this from happening. The proposal in front of the BOD is Production Optics, not SS Optics or Open Minor or some variation of a theme. If you oppose Production Optics then tell your AD. If you want something different then write a proposal and submit it for approval. I could also live with it being just prod optics. Like this whole thing started as... I'm very wishy washy...

I like a lot of that idea, as long as we control the guns and the mods to keep it from being minor open. Miox the rules of Prod and SS, Minor caliber and a slide mounted optic not to exceed a certain size. External mods to be limited like SS and Prod.

hey open is not really in line with the practical thing, but to be honest lots of stuff we do is now a long way from any 'practical' roots of the sport. I thought the same. I loved shooting production because of the challenge of shooting standard power loads, with iron sights, in a production hand gun. it really gives good gun handling skills and helps develop a range of shooting skills. now my problem is I have keratoconus. I struggle even to get the correct prescription and looking through different parts of my eye gives me different levels of focus. it was really hurting my accuracy. I partly cured it by lots of dry fire which gave me better muscle memory which meant my head and gun were always aligned the same. but of course as soon as I got a low port, or a sitting position etc that went out the window. One day for fun I shot a mates open gun. we were standing at about 30 meters shooting a small round plate (steel challenge plate). I fired a shot, hit the plate. then started some fairly quick fire and just kept ringing that plate shot after shot. something I could probably not do repeatably with my production gun. So I bought an open gun and for the most part it takes your vision problems out of the equation. it may be not as close to 'practical' as a production gun but it's a shitload of fun!! make no mistake, loading for, and shooting a major PF open gun is still a challenge. and as far as practical goes I certainly wouldn't EDC a open gun, but if the zombie apocalypse hit it may well be the tool of choice.... I also think shooting open is helping make me a better production shooter. And you can mount an optical sight on your carry gun. many do, including myself. While I think we have to look at the concept of production optical, it needs to be kept in check and I for one do not think, as stated previously, they should allow us to be competing for the prizes and awards, except in the old fart classes. I'm only a couple seasons from that now in USPSA and am already there for IPSC. The way I see it is this; In a couple years I probably won't be able to see iron sights well enough to win an overall division. At that time it's more than likely that I won't win anyway. Old and fat catches up to you....However I may still wan't to shoot, and going for the senior titles mean more to me now than 10 years ago and probably will more in 2 years than now. It would be nice to be in a place where I'm not relegated to having to shoot open when the time comes. I'd probably rather shoot any division, with a compact optic mounted than open. That being said, the young and strong oughta be winning overall's, I'll just still want to be shooting my SS or prod or revo and if I had one, my optical sight should not compete against the irons. For those that want to shoot optics before the magic 55, let them. But not for prizes or awards except for seniors category. My bet is a lot of folks would choose to shoot Optic whatever if it was a division but not if it wasn't eligible for the prizes. Then we would see if shooters chose to use those types of sights just to stay in the game. On the other hand it sucks that someone not 55 but wanting to, or needing to couldn't shoot the division if they wanted too. So dump L10 and institute a new class called optical carry. Mix SS, Prod, Lim 10 all together and see who wants to do that. i think the division might be cool if we can keep the guns from becoming what was once IPSC modified. My bet is I try to shoot irons until I just can't. On the other hand, it makes a very interesting piece of equipment....

And combine Revolver with Super Senior. I bet I'll be shooting open when I earn the opportunity to shoot Super Senior...