3djedi Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 I'm sending a glock grip into ZEV for a stippling job and was wondering the best way to ship it. The instructions that ZEV gave was to use UPS or FEDEX Next day or second day air. It's about $30 for second day air. I was wondering if it would be "legal" to ship priority post office. The cost would be around $9. But since the grip is considered a "firearm" is it legal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishsticks Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Unless you are an ffl or have an ffl ship it, USPS is a no go. Have to use fedex or ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elguapo Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 If you are sending the FRAME, that is THE firearm according to ATF and only FFLs can mail (USPS) them. You can send a handgun frame via UPS or FedEx but their policies require them to go via some expensive tariffs. If you are sending something other than the frame, then you can send it via the mail all day long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al503 Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Unless something has changed recently, both UPS and FedEx require overnight shipping. You can ship it 2nd day or slower through them but if the package gets lost, they won't need any other reason to deny your claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3djedi Posted September 14, 2014 Author Share Posted September 14, 2014 Zev sent me instructions that said to send ups nda or sda. They said I don't have to declare it a firearm just that if they ask to say parts being sent for warranty service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al503 Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 (edited) Zev sent me instructions that said to send ups nda or sda. They said I don't have to declare it a firearm just that if they ask to say parts being sent for warranty service. Doesn't matter what Zev says (unless they're willing to reimburse you if they're wrong.) I've seen incorrect advice given by vendors on this board. UPS has restrictions on shipping firearms. Again, unless something has changed recently, it must go overnight and there are even restrictions on where you can actually drop it off. Edited September 14, 2014 by al503 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3djedi Posted September 14, 2014 Author Share Posted September 14, 2014 Got it..... When I had an m&p sent back for warranty service, s&w picked up the package on a ARS CALL TAG (authorized return service which is ground shipping). They also returned the gun using UPS ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bountyhunter Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 (edited) Out here it is significantly cheaper to use the gun shop (which has an FFL) to send it via USPS. They do charge a fee for that, but the savings in being able to ship USPS is about twice the fee so you come out ahead. I think it cost me maybe $50 to send a gun last time using the gun shop FFL. Out here, sending a gun using Fed Ex or UPS (who require overnight) is at least $100 and they only do it at the "hub" stores which are few. Edited September 14, 2014 by bountyhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bountyhunter Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Zev sent me instructions that said to send ups nda or sda. They said I don't have to declare it a firearm just that if they ask to say parts being sent for warranty service.Yeah, that's the old "call it machine parts" scam and there is one big problem: if it is lost or stolen, the carrier will not replace or pay because the sender lied about the contents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraj Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 I think it cost me 35 to ship a gun when I sold it last time. I would go with that before I went to FedEx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothandnail Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 If shipping UPS , DO NOT use a UPS store in any way, makes your ins. null/void. They, UPS , destroyed 2 custom shotguns, 1 we were shipping out, 1 was coming in, about 1 month apart. UPS denied both claims(almost $3500.00) because both guns went through a UPS store at one point in the process.(it's somewhere in the multi page agreement you clik when shipping with them) Haven't used UPS since, they've lost much more than that in lost revenue from us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Hello: Most UPS stores will not ship a firearm or related parts. Nest day at the UPS depot is the best and insure it for the amount if it gets lost. Should be about $40 insured. They will send it back to you after repair USPS. At least that is what most companies do. Again make sure they insure it. Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3djedi Posted September 15, 2014 Author Share Posted September 15, 2014 It's $30 second day insured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al503 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 It's $30 second day insured. If you're going to send it second day, I don't see any reason to insure it. If the package gets lost or damaged, you're going to be out of luck unless the UPS person you're dealing with doesn't know their own policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3djedi Posted September 15, 2014 Author Share Posted September 15, 2014 (edited) They don't..... But I've been using UPS for 30 years never had a lost or damaged package. Knock on wood. But not getting compensated for a lost grip won't kill me.... I'm just following instructions from ZEV. I'm sure they will make good on their error if needed.... Edited September 15, 2014 by 3djedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpolans Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 (edited) Zev sent me instructions that said to send ups nda or sda. They said I don't have to declare it a firearm just that if they ask to say parts being sent for warranty service. Zev is wrong. Federal law requires you to declare it to the common carrier. 18 USC 922(e). Check with some FFLs around you. If you can find someone cheap enough, it might be cheaper to send it through an FFL who can use U.S. mail. A small flat rate box is under $6. For entertainment purposes only, not legal advice. Just stayed at a Holiday Inn Express. Edited September 16, 2014 by mpolans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterpuc Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 If you have a friend FFL, that will be the cheapest way to ship it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippyaz Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Zev sent me instructions that said to send ups nda or sda. They said I don't have to declare it a firearm just that if they ask to say parts being sent for warranty service.Yeah, that's the old "call it machine parts" scam and there is one big problem: if it is lost or stolen, the carrier will not replace or pay because the sender lied about the contents. So, I'm just wondering. If you declare machine parts and it's lost, how can they deny the claim? If it's truly lost, they can't verify that it's a firearm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al503 Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 (edited) So, I'm just wondering. If you declare machine parts and it's lost, how can they deny the claim? If it's truly lost, they can't verify that it's a firearm. Its called taking your chances and living with the consequences. If that's not palatable, you can lie (AKA: commit fraud) and submit a receipt/invoice/PO for something else when they ask for proof of what it was/value. Hopefully the package didn't just fall between the cracks for a while and UPS doesn't find it after you file your claim. Edited September 16, 2014 by al503 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bountyhunter Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 (edited) Zev sent me instructions that said to send ups nda or sda. They said I don't have to declare it a firearm just that if they ask to say parts being sent for warranty service.Yeah, that's the old "call it machine parts" scam and there is one big problem: if it is lost or stolen, the carrier will not replace or pay because the sender lied about the contents. So, I'm just wondering. If you declare machine parts and it's lost, how can they deny the claim? If it's truly lost, they can't verify that it's a firearm. You think they are going to pay your claim for $1000 or whatever your gun costs if you sent "machine parts"? That's the point. And you wouldn't believe how many guns get stolen. Edited September 16, 2014 by bountyhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3djedi Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 (edited) I'm not worried about it. It's a grip with no trigger assembly. Nothing at all but a piece of plastic really. If it gets lost and UPS denies the claim then it's on ZEV. If they don't cover it, that would be pretty shitty customer relations since they told me how to ship it and they do this stuff for a living. Anyway I'm not concerned about it at all.... Edited September 16, 2014 by 3djedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianATL Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 I'm not worried about it. It's a grip with no trigger assembly. Nothing at all but a piece of plastic really. If it gets lost and UPS denies the claim then it's on ZEV. If they don't cover it, that would be pretty shitty customer relations since they told me how to ship it and they do this stuff for a living. Anyway I'm not concerned about it at all.... Other than you just violated federal law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothandnail Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 I just filed a claim yesterday, 1st in over 2 years, shipping an avg. of 8 packages per day, never use ins. I self insure. You are required to submit a representative photo of the item shipped, along with a discription Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v1911 Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 I'm not worried about it. It's a grip with no trigger assembly. Nothing at all but a piece of plastic really. If it gets lost and UPS denies the claim then it's on ZEV. If they don't cover it, that would be pretty shitty customer relations since they told me how to ship it and they do this stuff for a living. Anyway I'm not concerned about it at all.... Other than you just violated federal law? And how is Zev liable for a package lost on the way to them? That's on UPS. If you want to get the work done, then buck up and pay the fee required to send it overnight. Or find an FFL to help you out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3djedi Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 How did I violate federal law? I don't think you know the laws. It's on ZEV because they told me on the phone and in email how to ship it and that it is not required to declare it a firearm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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