JBP55 Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I am old with poor vision and shakey hands. Inside 15 yards where I can actually see what I am shooting I shoot a G17 as well as any other Glock. At 25 yards I shoot slightly better groups with a G34 than I do with a G17 and slightly better groups with a G17 than a G19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblacknight Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) A Glock 17 has a sight radius of 6.49 inches A Glock 34 has a sight radius of 7.55 inches If you're shooting perfect sight pictures then sight radius doesn't matter, the mechanical accuracy potential of the gun will decide your group size However unless you are shooting from a ransom rest, then you're not shooting perfect sight pictures, certainly none of us in the action sports are taking the time to get truly perfect sight pictures If there is any error in your sight picture when the shot breaks then that error is repeated every time the bullet travels the length of your sight radius When you're shooting IMPERFECT sight pictures, which we always are, the gun with the longer sight radius will reduce your error Its not a benefit that you can actively use, but its passively there all the time quietly helping Part of being a good shooter in this game is learning how much refinement in your sights and trigger to get the hits you need for your apparent target size with your gun and sights. there are probably too many confounding variables to make this kind of direct comparison which is why I think the concept is probably a better argument And thats exactly why the G34's possible accuracy bump as the shooter's eye is concerned is simply a concept and not tangible,which is what I've been saying the whole time. Edited September 11, 2014 by theblacknight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moltke Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 If you don't think sight radius is important enough to shoot a G34 over a G17 then OK, I'm not here to say it is. But don't pretend the advantage of longer sight radius is not real. I just explained it and showed the difference that a small potential error has when applied through both options, with easy examples of downrange impacts that happen all the time. There is alot more to shooting than sight radius but in this regard, directly comparing one to the other, longer is better. If you don't like it, take it up with Math, I didn't make the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblacknight Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 You math is simply contextual. But don't pretend the advantage of longer sight radius is not real. No one has said that but you. What I've been saying the whole time, and what you fail to understand, is that regardless of what everyone knows about the general principle of sight radius, in the case of the G34 and the G17, a enhanced applied accuracy is not a tangible benefit. If you had such in your corner, you could actually show us all. I'm actually waiting for such as it would be cool. If a shooter blames his G17 for a D hit and says" If I only had a g34!" what he should really be saying is" maybe I should learn what kind of sight picture I need with my gun and my sights". I know, why blame your skills when you can blame the gun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOJyVpvEJww&list=UUpvB2hC2A7prWhLlz6Tfafw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novie Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I have a 3 Glocks a 17, 34 and 17L. I compete with the 34 because I like it better. I have found that on the clock there is no difference in scores. But I still like the 34 better, that is enough for me to chose it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3djedi Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 (edited) Longer sight radius does not make the gun more accurate. Longer sight radius will make it easier to be more accurate. Especially at high speed shooting like USPSA. If it made no difference I would think top guys like bob vogel would use the g17 or the 22. He uses the 6" barrel glock (g24) in limited and the 5" for IDPA and production (g34). Not sure what the ben stoeger video represents in regards to sight radius..... Edited September 13, 2014 by 3djedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblacknight Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 That drill is one for learning how much sight and trigger refinement you need for certain distance(apparent size) targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torogi Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Longer sight radius does not make the gun more accurate. Longer sight radius will make it easier to be more accurate. Especially at high speed shooting like USPSA. If it made no difference I would think top guys like bob vogel would use the g17 or the 22. He uses the 6" barrel glock (g24) in limited and the 5" for IDPA and production (g34). Not sure what the ben stoeger video represents in regards to sight radius..... Dont forget, he used the G17 to win the last WS PD. There is no G34 in IPSC (it doesn't fit the box). Believe or not G17 has a longer sight radius than a Stock 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2mikes Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 There is no G34 in IPSC (it doesn't fit the box). ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1gcountry Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 I think I shoot the 34 better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torogi Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 There is no G34 in IPSC (it doesn't fit the box). ??? My mistake, it will fit the box, but it is longer than 127mm barrel. 13. Can we use Glock models 34 and 35 in Production Division? Glock in their own advertising call them "long slides". They are special sporting handguns with a lighter trigger pull (3.5 lbs) and a longer barrel (135mm) out of the box. Maximum barrel length in Production Division is 127 mm (5"). The Production Division does not include special sporting models like the Glock 34 and 35, or the H&K USP Expert, or the Sig Sauer Sport II series if they differ in barrel length from the standard model (Glock 17, Sig Sauer 226, H&K USP). "Production" does not necessarily mean that all pistols which are currently in production are legal for use in this division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBP55 Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Torogi, No Glock has ever come from the factory with a 3.5# trigger pull regardless of what may be written on the box. The long slides with a - connector come with a sub 5.0# trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torogi Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 To be honest I don't know much about IPSC. Even with an 'actual' trigger pull of over 5#, barrel is still over the maximum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansedgli Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 G34 has to go in standard division in IPSC. Its not on the production list. There is a list of guns allowed in production. G17 is ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtimelarry Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 There is nothing a 17 does better than a 34. - Draw is faster - Get on target quicker with smaller sight radius YEP !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GARD72977 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 There is nothing a 17 does better than a 34. - Draw is faster - Get on target quicker with smaller sight radius YEP !!! I cannot draw the G17 any faster the the G34. Im 6'3 with long arms and the extra .9oz and the little extra weight does not seem to matter. The shorter sight radius does not get on target any faster the a longer sight radius. If is was a little man the 17 may be a advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moltke Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 I heard G26's are best for midgets too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtimelarry Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Yeah, your right.. The G34 is the way to go.. What was I thinking... Glad you cleared it up.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zimm33 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I loaded up both a 17 and 34 with aftermarket sights, rods, springs, and triggers. Accuracy was not noticeably different for me except on quick follow ups / double taps. With the reduced spring weight and heavy extended guide rod I got the 34 shooting very soft/flat so follow ups were faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblacknight Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 If it made no difference I would think top guys like bob vogel would use the g17 or the 22. He uses the 6" barrel glock (g24) in limited and the 5" for IDPA and production (g34). Really dude? I'm talking about tangible benefits here. A longer barrel objectively get's you more velocity. Soo using a G34 means your loads to gain a certain PF will be less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1gcountry Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Tangible benefit #3: It looks cool, so I want to shoot it more. I shoot it more, so I improve more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moltke Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 If comparing factory guns More velocity Reduced error in sights Lighter trigger Extended mag release Extended slide lock lever Being that everyone modifies their guns More velocity Reduced error in sights For those that don't believe in reduced error in sights More velocty We're all on the same page, can someone please say something horrible to get this thread locked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 If comparing factory guns More velocity Reduced error in sights Lighter trigger Extended mag release Extended slide lock lever Being that everyone modifies their guns More velocity Reduced error in sights For those that don't believe in reduced error in sights More velocty We're all on the same page, can someone please say something horrible to get this thread locked? +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hallz Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Ford, Chevy, Dodge,..bla bla bla.. Someone out there is better with their choice than you are with yours (or will be). Pick one and shoot it, shoot it some more,.. Rinse and repeate till you dont improve. Any quality gun has the potential to be faster and more accurate than the lump pulling the trigger, some just fit better and bring out more potential in certian individuals. But you have to commit to it and be honest with your limmitations and needs to truly know. Kind if like dating If you dont like it,.. Sell it or safe it and get another untill ur happy. (Again like dating) Shoot well and safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayohee Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 There is nothing a 17 does better than a 34. - Draw is faster - Get on target quicker with smaller sight radius YEP !!! I cannot draw the G17 any faster the the G34. Im 6'3 with long arms and the extra .9oz and the little extra weight does not seem to matter. The shorter sight radius does not get on target any faster the a longer sight radius.If is was a little man the 17 may be a advantage. I'm 5'6" does the count? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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