lppd4 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 My M&P 9L is experiencing some failure to extract issues. I shot about 100 rounds through it Friday and had 2-3 failures. I know they have had issues in the past. Mine has been pretty reliable until lately. I have contacted S&W just curious what others have done to fix the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Aftermarket parts will probably cure it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lppd4 Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 Aftermarket parts will probably cure it Sarge,What do you suggest? Apex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Lord Gomer Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Good advise from Sarge. (I had to! ) Specifically: https://apextactical.com/store/product-info.php?pid31.html I advice (oops, I did it again) sending it to them to put in because the OEM pin is a royal pain to get out (I was never successful). Apex replaces it with one that can be removed by mortals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Good advise from Sarge. (I had to! ) Specifically: https://apextactical.com/store/product-info.php?pid31.html I advice (oops, I did it again) sending it to them to put in because the OEM pin is a royal pain to get out (I was never successful). Apex replaces it with one that can be removed by mortals. What he said. (almost) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 It could just be powder residue stuck behind the extractor - try blasting behind it using carb cleaner. If you have a newer gun with a roll pin securing the extractor, you can easily drift the pin out and clean that area out even better. However, I agree with others that the Apex Failure Resistant Extractor is a worthwhile upgrade, especially if you are already going to the trouble of removing the factory extractor anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk330lc Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 How many rounds are through the pistol? Carbon does build up under the extractor. A sharp blade and a tooth brush soaked in solvent does wonders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rack&roll Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 I have an old 9L, had the same problems. Apex FRE and rollpin fixed it. I also couldn't get the solid rollpin out myself, so I sent it to Apex and had them radius it and install it with a new rollpin. Changed my stock sights to Warren Tactical, also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bountyhunter Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Dumb question: is the 9mm ammo reload? If so, you could have cases out of spec that jam in the barrel throat. I couldn't count how many of those I have seen that jam just about any gun. If the ammo is in spec, it should extract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfish Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 (edited) My M&P started having fte problems fter about 3000 rounds, replaced it with a apex extractor and shot another 25,000 rounds without a single fte Edited June 4, 2014 by bigfish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lppd4 Posted June 5, 2014 Author Share Posted June 5, 2014 Factory ammo, mostly Winchester white box. S&W replied to my email to them stating they would send me a new extractor, extractor spring and pin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dohboy Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Just curious, but did they acknowledge their was an issue with the M&P extractors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lppd4 Posted June 6, 2014 Author Share Posted June 6, 2014 No acknowledgement of faulty extractors just a replacement set of parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lppd4 Posted June 27, 2014 Author Share Posted June 27, 2014 Finally got around to having extractor, spring and pin installed, 100 down the pipe with no failures. I know this isn't a huge test but it is better performance than I was experiencing. I have to hand it to S&W they were attentive to my problem. Hopefully I'm good to go for a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunner442 Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 (edited) Apex FRE fixed both my Compact and FS M&Ps. No FTEs after 1000 rounds. Had to buy 3 different punches to get solid factory pin out. 1-1/16" starter punch 2-regular length 1/16" punches and cut one down to 3/16 long to use as extended starter punch. Also replaced solid pin with roll pin. Edited July 13, 2014 by gunner442 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcracco Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 BTW, S&W has been installing roll pins instead of solid pins in the extractor for quite a while now. Not sure when they made the switch but the last 3 M&P 9's I purchased over the last 18 months have hade roll pins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbrass Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 It seems there have been various causes for the ejection issue. Reloaded ammo as others have mentioned is always suspect number 1 ,IMO. Dirty extractor, springs and gunk in the extractor slide cutout is another culprit. My recently manufactured Pro had the problem on an intermittent basis. Mostly during a match. During practice, not so much as the gun knows I am watching it...I got an RMA from S&W but decided the Apex solution was more expedient. Soaking the extractor pin wth WD40 Kroil or whatever, overnight will help a good bit. And yes the correct punch with a big hammer ,used carefully ,will do the job. It is not wise to ask your wife to hold the slide while you try to use the big hammer. Best to use a vice. Do not ask how I know this. In addition there a a few You Tube vids detailing the APEX install. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lppd4 Posted September 24, 2015 Author Share Posted September 24, 2015 reviving an old thread here. I replaced my extractor in my M&P 9L with a replacement that S&W sent me for free after I wrote them an email detailing the problem. Same failure to extract started occurring again. Bit the bullet and bought the Apex. No failures yet, even made it through the local USPSA match, yea it fails more frequently in matches as pointed out by Bigbrass. It bothers me that I have to buy aftermarket parts to make my gun reliable. I really like the gun or I would have sold it and bought a Glock 34. Hopefully the Apex will fix it for the long haul. My buddies 9 Pro has had no such issues with thousands of rounds down the tube maybe S&W have the issue resolved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 If they finally figured it out I guess it's better late than never. I bought mine in 09 and sold it because of the problems a very short time later. I went to a 34 so I could finally finish a stage! Best thing I ever did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 My early M&P9s had extraction/ejection issues until I installed the Apex FRE. My newer guns have run 100% with the factory extractor. All of my M&Ps are boringly reliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuelie777 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 After 6000 rounds on my Pro, won at a match in 2010, I am going to Apex route. Going to send it to them. Have tried all means to get the pin out, no go. I hope it solves the problem, most likely will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lppd4 Posted May 19, 2016 Author Share Posted May 19, 2016 After much frustration with the M&P 9L over extraction issues. I broke down and sent it back to S&W. They replaced the extractor on the first trip, I was not feeling good about the issue being fixed but do understand their reasoning behind just replacing the extractor. Still had issues so I sent it back again explaining that I think the issue stemmed from the extractor indexing on the case rim at approximately the 1:30 position when other M&P's I own and have examined index closer to a 3:00 position on the case rim. They returned my pistol to me in less than 2 weeks with a new barrel and a new guide rod installed. The extractor now indexes at the 3:00 position and I have had no further issues with the pistol. S&W customer service was excellent, great turnaround time too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacticalReload Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 How was it possibly indexing at 1:30 position? Was the barrel that out of spec? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lppd4 Posted May 23, 2016 Author Share Posted May 23, 2016 I'm Not sure if barrel was out of spec or not. I shot the pistol in a match this weekend and it ran like a cat on fire. I was very impressed with the way S&W handled it. The pistol was bought in 2009 and I delayed in getting back to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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