hab25 Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 In the grand scheme of things (I have tested the diff on 9,9maj 40 and 38 super.) It is really nice, if the 200 makes or breaks your ability to buy pistol then don't get the option. The idea that because of the extra time to cycle, your splits will be slowed down is a non starter. It hasn't slowed Lesgar down so unless your splits are way way faster then his it can only help you. Florida NFA trusts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srv656s Posted November 25, 2013 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 I decided to go for it and give it a try. Thanks for all the input. Will post about it once I get the gun. Should have a friend's Edge to compare to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssanders224 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 In the grand scheme of things (I have tested the diff on 9,9maj 40 and 38 super.) It is really nice, if the 200 makes or breaks your ability to buy pistol then don't get the option. The idea that because of the extra time to cycle, your splits will be slowed down is a non starter. It hasn't slowed Lesgar down so unless your splits are way way faster then his it can only help you. Florida NFA trusts I didnt go back and read through the thread, but I dont think anyone implied that it will slow splits down. It will however slow the cyclic rate down, which as Latech said, can definitely change the feel of the gun. It can also change the way you see the sights. The cyclic rate will always be much faster than you can actually pull the trigger, but the way a gun FEELS to an individual can certainly have an affect on their splits. Its a pure preference thing. No way to know if you'll benefit from it without shooting a few hundred rounds through one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab25 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 In the grand scheme of things (I have tested the diff on 9,9maj 40 and 38 super.) It is really nice, if the 200 makes or breaks your ability to buy pistol then don't get the option. The idea that because of the extra time to cycle, your splits will be slowed down is a non starter. It hasn't slowed Lesgar down so unless your splits are way way faster then his it can only help you. Florida NFA trusts I didnt go back and read through the thread, but I dont think anyone implied that it will slow splits down. It will however slow the cyclic rate down, which as Latech said, can definitely change the feel of the gun. It can also change the way you see the sights. The cyclic rate will always be much faster than you can actually pull the trigger, but the way a gun FEELS to an individual can certainly have an affect on their splits. Its a pure preference thing. No way to know if you'll benefit from it without shooting a few hundred rounds through one. Ok point being I like the way it feels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpk1996 Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 not sure i agree with the physics and cyclic speed you guys are talking about. I think that a long stroked slide would have the same cyclic rate and less muzzle flip. here are the reasons. with the given recoil energy when the slide comes back and hits its aft most travel, that energy that is still pushing the slide aft now is pushing the entire gun aft, including the frame. now this should create more muzzle flip (this of course would be shooter dependent). as far as speed goes, the same thing applies. as the slide travels aft and hits the stop and still has energy to give to go further aft the slide will still move "aft" but now as part of the gun. so i would think this is that "stronger impulse". the slide is "paused" for a "moment" as that energy is dissipated and then starts its movement forward. in a long stroked gun more of the energy is absorbed by the recoil system of the gun (spring) and travels in a linear fashion aft along the rails. when and if it hits the stops, less energy will be present to "flip" the entire gun (slide and frame). so, i think the long stroke should be at least as fast and softer, with less actual muzzle flip. as far as what the sight appear to do, still pondering this one. its kinda the opposite of the sight tracker guns with the sight not moving at all aft. the slide is coming aft further, but in a linear fashion. there for closer to the point of rotation (your hands/wrist area). So the perceived movement of the sights would probably be shooter dependent and more to do with grip and point of rotation. I just ordered Lesgars old gun from Akai, so I will be able to check it out here next week. those are the reasons I thought advantageous for the long stroke option anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 I decided to go for it and give it a try. Thanks for all the input. Will post about it once I get the gun. Should have a friend's Edge to compare to. I look forward to your review, I have a few extra slides and I love to tinker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric nielsen Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 I may be wrong but seem like the longer stroke with same guide rod, same type recoil spring would increase the chance of going to full compression. You can check that by putting the top end on w/out the spring, mark the rearmost travel of the slide-stop notch, then repeat with spring installed. Should go to the same place. If in doubt go with a gunsmith who's done a lot of these. Full compression can beat on your spring cap to the point where it fails. That knocked the defending uspsa champion out of the running in 1992, his cap and spring went flying down range on a 12-round timed-fire Standards stage, think he got off 1 or 2 rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 I may be wrong but seem like the longer stroke with same guide rod, same type recoil spring would increase the chance of going to full compression. This is something which has baffled me for some time surrounding the "right" way to tune a pistol. It makes sense that the spring doing to full compression with wear it out rather quickly, therefore the slide should impact the frame at its most rearward position, but if that's the case why do people use shock buffers? If the slide still impacts the frame the buffer does nothing right? If the buffer shortens the stroke by inducing coil bind you still have the same problem with springs don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Steele Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 I think if .3" stroke is added to the slide by extending the frame rail guide, then .3" needs to be removed from the back side of the recoil plug tunnel. If this is done, then the only way to hide the .3" removed from the tunnel is to use a long dust cover frame and cut it back from the front just to hide the gap. If you extend the rail guide and don't cut the recoil plug tunnel you are not getting the "stroke". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab25 Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 Put 2 thousand through my now long stroked gun. My only complaint is I didn't have Shay at Akai do it sooner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrbet83 Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 Ive put 25k through my destroked gun, and love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab25 Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Only 25.... Had more than 50 thousand. Not saying the stroked gun is for everyone but in my opinion it is well worth the money Florida NFA trusts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srv656s Posted April 14, 2014 Author Share Posted April 14, 2014 I got mine, still putting some rounds through it and will post more later... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feederic Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 (edited) I don't seem to shoot any faster with it, I have a tyrant. Edited April 14, 2014 by feederic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Badger Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Just to add some spin to the thread. I recently purchased a 6 inch STI Targetmaster which is manufactured standard as 9mm. I love "soft" so I had it rebarreled to .38 Super. Same projectile, same powder weight, longer case but much nicer feel. If you are building a new gun why not .38 Super? Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T Bacus Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Making the recoil stroke longer is the exact opposite of what I want in a gun. The faster the slide movement is over, the faster the gun is back on target. Even if not shot faster it's still more time spent looking at a static sight picture. That's what works for me anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deano2246 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I may be wrong but seem like the longer stroke with same guide rod, same type recoil spring would increase the chance of going to full compression. This is something which has baffled me for some time surrounding the "right" way to tune a pistol. It makes sense that the spring doing to full compression with wear it out rather quickly, therefore the slide should impact the frame at its most rearward position, but if that's the case why do people use shock buffers? If the slide still impacts the frame the buffer does nothing right? If the buffer shortens the stroke by inducing coil bind you still have the same problem with springs don't you? I use a buffer, but I verify that I am not getting coil bind. Sometimes I might have to clip a little from the spring, I just use the buff to lessen the metal to metal impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Deano, what does your buffer look like, does it ever get chewed up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RippSpeed Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 maybe load some minor 9mm ammo for her ???I loaded some fart rounds for wifey ... 115gr Xtreme Bullet HP; 6grs of HS6; 1.125 OAL and WSRP out of my 3.5" Escort ... it was only flying at 854fps something like 98 pf ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deano2246 Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Deano, what does your buffer look like, does it ever get chewed up? No matter what they look like they get replaced every 1k rounds. They usually look good still but they are cheap enough might as well keep a fresh one in the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack T Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 (edited) This is like taking a step backwards in histroy! Seems people have a need to relearn what has already been tried (and failed). You will still have the same recoil impulse from a firearm with a longer stroke, now you just have a longer cycle/time for that to occur and why would you want that? Just means everyting takes longer, slower/longer cycle time, slower reset/lock up time for the firing train, etc. In our game you want a faster cycling pistol, and the shorter the cycle, the quicker the recoil impulse will occur and you will be ready to break the next shot. Also the rails are shortened on the frame to facilitate the longer stroke/cycle of the slide, now you have more travel with less bearinig surface. Figure it out!! But! Here is my philosophly about new ideas, parts, etc.; If you think it works and makes you a better shooter, then it works for you and the rules of physics be dammed! And on the otherhand, you can sell dog crap to some people, if you market and advertise it correctly:) Jack Edited May 2, 2014 by Jack T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab25 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Well I like it. And you do not have same recoil impulse. Jack if you are against it then don't sell any of your guns with it I guess Florida NFA trusts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrbet83 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Jack if you are against it then don't sell any of your guns with it I guess And that's the reason only one smith in the country offers the "package" and even he only does it to less than 10% of the guns that leave his shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab25 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 jr how long have you been working there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrbet83 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 (edited) jr how long have you been working there? How long have you? He makes 18 different 1911/2011 packages, and only 1 comes standard with it. "Stroking" has been around for decades. Dawson offered it at one point in his smithing days, and then stopped.....why? I love the argument that "but Lesgar uses one" what about the other top 50 limited/open shooters. Why doesn't Blake shoot one? He shoots Akai. So agian, like I stated in my last post. There's a reason the market isn't flooded with them, there's a reason only one smith does it anymore and there's a reason even he doesn't do it to most his guns. Edited May 13, 2014 by jrbet83 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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