Shay1911 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 This gun is very light, stroked, lightened on inside and dust cover cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeRush Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 thereby allowing the slide to just kiss the frame instead of crash into it.Did you use to sell used cars?What's the standard stroke? How much do you add? What do you add, less than 10%? Physics still apply. Crash to kiss by adding 10%..... not buying it. I don't have a dog in this fight but your posts seem a bit personal. Were you bit by a stroked gun as a child? Per the video you posted there are at least 2 advantages of a stroked gun. One would be the reliability aspect, where the slide spends just a bit more time behind the magazine so the stack has a chance to get up to the feed lips. The second would be the ability to go lighter on the recoil spring without battering the frame. This would allow for less dip when the slide returns to the firing position. We can argue the physics of it until we are blue in the face, but that isn't the point. The gentleman builds some of the finest guns around and offers it as a option. If someone feels it makes a difference for them whether it is reduced flip, a softer rise, a longer recoil impulse, reliability, etc they can select that option. Personally my guns aren't stroked, and I haven't shot a stroked gun, but I have enough sense to believe that Shay might know a thing or two more than I about 2011s. Peoples taste in powder, gun weight, slide weight, etc varies and Shay lets people try things that are different. I'd love to try two similar guns with the only variable being the stroke on a clock and draw my own conclusion but I haven't had the opportunity to do that yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Tony is a Gorilla, but that gun is Super Flat!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROY NEAL Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I agree with Trace.............Tony is a gorilla so it doesn't matter....................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrbet83 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I'd love to try two similar guns with the only variable being the stroke on a clock and draw my own conclusion but I haven't had the opportunity to do that yet. Throw an alumabuff in your gun, that will destroke your gun .100. That will at least answer half the question for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shay1911 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I agree with Trace.............Tony is a gorilla so it doesn't matter....................... No one argues that Tony is not a gorilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Stroking seems like a good way to tame a violent recoil impulse, seeing as I have a box full of spare slides I just might play around with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmiller Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 (edited) This gun is very light, stroked, lightened on inside and dust cover cut. That is impressive! Do you have any videos of these guns being shot by people with a more average build? I think that guy could muscle just about any pistol into submission! Edited May 14, 2014 by bmiller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beltjones Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 ^^^Look for videos of Lesgar shooting Limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bthoefer Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 ^^^Look for videos of Lesgar shooting Limited. Lesgar is freaky fast, not sure the camera man could keep up with him. At GA state last year he almost outran me while I was ROing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biloxi23 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Two years ago I shot in a squad with Lesgar at the Gator Classic and he is amazingly quick, and a nicer gentleman you will not find. He is also as quick to paste up targets as he is shooting. I own one of Shay's Samurai 6" guns and shay was one of the easiest persons to deal with I have ever done business. I told him I wanted, he made some suggestions and I have been more than pleased with my ACGuns pistol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beltjones Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 ^^^Look for videos of Lesgar shooting Limited. Lesgar is freaky fast, not sure the camera man could keep up with him. At GA state last year he almost outran me while I was ROing. Right, he's fast, but he's not a big dude like Tony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmiller Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 I watched a few of Lesgar's videos on YouTube. He can move! It looked to me that the gun did not run quite as flat as Tony, but still very flat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktm300 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 I own two of Shay's guns, one stroked one not. Other than that they are pretty close. When I got the stroked gun I waited until after a match to shoot it. The stroked gun is softer and it is simpler to track the front sight. The difference in feel surprised me. Its enough difference that switching between the two takes a little time. 5 or 6 other people including a pro shooter shot both guns that day back to back with the same ammo. All but one felt the different recoil impulse. I know the pro shooter called Shay shortly after shooting the two guns. He was turning .10/.12 splits with it the first time he shot it. Anyone that would like to shoot the two guns back to back is welcome to. Both are in my bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amish_rabbi Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 this is the first I've heard of this stroking.... hmmm may have to look more into this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shay1911 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Thanks to all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermoto Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 (edited) I shot Jules' Akai stroked 9major open gun. I found it to be very soft, flat and easy to shoot. It really seems to hunt down As. I was surprised on how many As I had on targets that I felt I did not follow thru well on. It may have been because it was stroked or the new comp or a combination of both. But it worked very well for me. I have owned/shot a lot of different open guns. Bedells, cheely, SV, Millenniums, gans, Brazos, Sti trubors, non stroked akai and various other customs. My 5" Bedell in super and the stroked Akai are the only 2 guns that I felt that, that gun would give me an advantage over another gun. My recommendation to someone looking for a new open gun is to track down a stroked Akai, see if it works better for you. It may, it may not but at least you can make an informed decision based on experience Edited May 15, 2014 by Supermoto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 My recommendation to someone looking for a new open gun is to track down a stroked Akai, see if it works better for you. It may, it may not but at least you can make an informed decision based on experience You can take that empirical evidence crap someplace else, this is an internet forum!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amish_rabbi Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Shay would you see similar advantages with doing a long stroke on a single stack gun? or not so much because you cant lighten the slide to the same degree as a limited gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beltjones Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 This past weekend at MS Classic I had the opportunity to shoot a 5.4", Butler cut, steel grip, stroked Akai sight tracker back-to-back against my 5.4", Butler cut, steel grip SVI Sight tracker using the same ammo. The stroked gun shot flatter, and noticeably so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Ace- Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Got any video? Or pics of the guns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beltjones Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Got any video? Or pics of the guns? Nope. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 This past weekend at MS Classic I had the opportunity to shoot a 5.4", Butler cut, steel grip, stroked Akai sight tracker back-to-back against my 5.4", Butler cut, steel grip SVI Sight tracker using the same ammo. The stroked gun shot flatter, and noticeably so. Maybe Shay will stroke your pistol...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Ace- Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 This past weekend at MS Classic I had the opportunity to shoot a 5.4", Butler cut, steel grip, stroked Akai sight tracker back-to-back against my 5.4", Butler cut, steel grip SVI Sight tracker using the same ammo. The stroked gun shot flatter, and noticeably so. Maybe Shay will stroke your pistol...... Kinky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beltjones Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 This past weekend at MS Classic I had the opportunity to shoot a 5.4", Butler cut, steel grip, stroked Akai sight tracker back-to-back against my 5.4", Butler cut, steel grip SVI Sight tracker using the same ammo. The stroked gun shot flatter, and noticeably so. Maybe Shay will stroke your pistol...... Or build me a new one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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