dmshozer1 Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Think about this! You are using your Matchsaver in a "oh shit" moment. The idea is to get that shell in there fast! You slide it back to go into the port and hit the bolt release but the shell got hung up between the front and back of the ejection port. The bolt comes forward. The extractor hits the hung up shell primer. Boom, a 12 gauge has detonated 6" from your face!!! Nasty! Think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sthrngnr Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Have you seen this happen ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmshozer1 Posted September 23, 2013 Author Share Posted September 23, 2013 Have you seen this happen ? Not personally, but I can absolutely see how it could happen. Heard shooters talking about it while attending the FNH match last week. They were people who shoot all the big ones. Just trying give shooters a heads up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sthrngnr Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Ok thanks for the heads up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outerlimits Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Lawyers are scrambling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I have been made aware of this occurring twice so far, plus 2 DQs when the shell got bumped into the open port while being dumped in a barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I watched a shell get "thrown" down range by the bolt handle when the shell had drifted back far enough to get hit. We were just amazed that it hadn't gone off as it had a darn good dent in the primer. Match savers, plus twos and all those types of things hanging off guns kind of look like a Jerry can attached to the side of a Ferrari:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling White Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 There ya have it.... A Red Neck Ferrari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amccallister Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Think about this! You are using your Matchsaver in a "oh shit" moment. The idea is to get that shell in there fast! You slide it back to go into the port and hit the bolt release but the shell got hung up between the front and back of the ejection port. The bolt comes forward. The extractor hits the hung up shell primer. Boom, a 12 gauge has detonated 6" from your face!!! Nasty! Think about it. Ummm... Yeah I guess thats possible. Also possible if you pull a shell out of your weak hand caddy, load 2/quad load setup, or the cargo pocket of your super tactical operator pants and try to port load in a hurry. I'd be a lot more worried about the accidental loading when tossing the gun in a barrel like Mark mentioned than a shell blowing up. What is the proposed solution? Quit shooting if you run your shotgun dry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Either don't run the gun dry, or safety on even if you do run it dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amccallister Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Either don't run the gun dry, or safety on even if you do run it dry. As far as dumping the gun goes, absolutely! I try to always put the safety on, I don't wan't to have to think about if my gun is really empty or not. It's too easy to throw it on every time regardless. I was just making a smart ass remark in the above post about being overly concerned about "detonation", although reading it now I think I came off sounding more like a d-bag than I intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyro Shooter Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I think the preferred solution is to get yer sums & figurin right on the stage walk through and don't miss to the point of slide lock and you won't offend the purists (Like Kurt) by soiling the clean lines of a good Benelli shotgun. with plastic, elastic and Velcro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM2B Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I took mine off today. Never using it again. Anyone here can have it just pay for shipping... The velcro is no good though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loneranger04 Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Sorry guys. I love mine. I just can't imagine it as a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therealkoop Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Mines mounted so far forward that I couldnt see it as an issue going into barrels and such, but I can see where you are coming from when it comes to loading through the ejection port. I try not to use it anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Sorry guys. I love mine. I just can't imagine it as a problem. I'll bet the two guys with hamburger hands thought the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyChris Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I took mine off today. Never using it again. Anyone here can have it just pay for shipping... The velcro is no good though. Message sent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM2B Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 (edited) Dark Powder, Bishop414 beat you to it if he doesnt send the 6.00 shipping i will let you know. Edited September 23, 2013 by GM2B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling White Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Either don't run the gun dry, or safety on even if you do run it dry. Don't run the gun dry by learning to count rounds and save yourself the cost & risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtp Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Think about this! You are using your Matchsaver in a "oh shit" moment. The idea is to get that shell in there fast! You slide it back to go into the port and hit the bolt release but the shell got hung up between the front and back of the ejection port. The bolt comes forward. The extractor hits the hung up shell primer. Boom, a 12 gauge has detonated 6" from your face!!! Nasty! Think about it. How is the above any different than running dry, regardless of the load method? I have been made aware of this occurring twice so far, plus 2 DQs when the shell got bumped into the open port while being dumped in a barrel. Twice having a round go off, or the DQs due to a shell going into the open port?? I watched a shell get "thrown" down range by the bolt handle when the shell had drifted back far enough to get hit. We were just amazed that it hadn't gone off as it had a darn good dent in the primer. Match savers, plus twos and all those types of things hanging off guns kind of look like a Jerry can attached to the side of a Ferrari:) This one's interesting, meaning the recoil and movement from the gun pushed the shell rearwards in the Matchsaver until the bolt hit it closing and whacked it downrange? Maybe I'm missing something here, but it seems like the last post by Kurt is the most 'dangerous' here, followed by a DQ if a MS is loose or the shell moves enough to fall into a locked back gun while dumping? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasM Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 A good friend of mine has worked at shotgun sporting ranges his whole life. I once asked him what the strangest thing he had seen was. He told me a long story but the shortened version was someone held a shotgun shell up to the action half of an over under and fired it in her hand. She said it basically felt like getting a really hard hi five but her hands were fine. Now I wouldn't want to try and recreate the results but the moral was rounds outside a chamber are far less dangerous. He said there was also a bar style trick where people would catch all the shot from a fired 12 gauge in a paper bag. They used a model 12 removed the barrel stuck a bag over it and pulled the trigger. The bag would catch the shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 rtp, I know there were 2 DQs due to shells going into the loading port as I was the RM. I heard about two other occurrences of the same thing today. I was told about two occurrences of shells being struck by the charging handle causing primer ignition. Of course, similar to Kurt's, but with ignition. Certainly enough in just a few months to give pause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 A good friend of mine has worked at shotgun sporting ranges his whole life. I once asked him what the strangest thing he had seen was. He told me a long story but the shortened version was someone held a shotgun shell up to the action half of an over under and fired it in her hand. She said it basically felt like getting a really hard hi five but her hands were fine. Now I wouldn't want to try and recreate the results but the moral was rounds outside a chamber are far less dangerous. He said there was also a bar style trick where people would catch all the shot from a fired 12 gauge in a paper bag. They used a model 12 removed the barrel stuck a bag over it and pulled the trigger. The bag would catch the shot. Nice story, but not true! I've seen firsthand the damage a shotshell does when it is ignited out of a chamber, not once, but several times. A hunter in Canada with a lot of damage to his face and permanent eye damage, a 12 year old missing three fingers, a 23 year old who was killed...and there are more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowsure Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 I watched a shell get "thrown" down range by the bolt handle when the shell had drifted back far enough to get hit. We were just amazed that it hadn't gone off as it had a darn good dent in the primer. Match savers, plus twos and all those types of things hanging off guns kind of look like a Jerry can attached to the side of a Ferrari:) There ya have it.... A Red Neck Ferrari My Red Neck Ferrari would have a Jerry Can. Yes Sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 To be fair about it, it wasn't a match saver, it was an elastic speed two holder that the shell got thrown from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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