Ferrari or Toyota?

[kamikaze1a]

I am starting to think of my Glocks as a Toyotas and SV as a Ferrari. My SV sure is sweet to shoot and groups so darn tight but it sure takes a lot more effort to keep it running 100%. On the other hand with hardly any maintenance or tuning at all, my Glocks ran 100% and just kept running.

I sorted through the SV's uber light trigger, the premature slide lock back and the no lock back after last shot but it looks like this 2011 wants more attention. Installing 170mm mag springs in my 140mm mags got me consistent slide lock after last shot but yesterday's session frustrated me with slide falling with mag release on too many occasions.

From what I could see, some mags will push up the stop partially and just enough to catch the slide and the slide will then fall upon mag release. When this happens, it seems that the follower will not be fully seated at the top of it's travel. Pushing down on the follower will give me a sluggish return. I just cleaned them internally when I installed the long springs.

Do you think the mags need tuning or internal polishing? Or how about different followers? I have a Dawson mag tuning kit coming and the followers are SV originals. And I do realize that most run without slide lock back, but I really prefer that it does.

Thanks!

[TH3180]

Is your slide lock setup to lock the slide? When I had my gun built the builder asked me if I want my slide to lock back on an empty mag. I chose to have him modify the slide lock so it doesn't. Even with unmodified followers my slide doesn't lock back on an empty mag.

[wes777]

I am starting to think of my Glocks as a Toyotas and SV as a Ferrari. My SV sure is sweet to shoot and groups so darn tight but it sure takes a lot more effort to keep it running 100%. On the other hand with hardly any maintenance or tuning at all, my Glocks ran 100% and just kept running.

I sorted through the SV's uber light trigger, the premature slide lock back and the no lock back after last shot but it looks like this 2011 wants more attention. Installing 170mm mag springs in my 140mm mags got me consistent slide lock after last shot but yesterday's session frustrated me with slide falling with mag release on too many occasions.

From what I could see, some mags will push up the stop partially and just enough to catch the slide and the slide will then fall upon mag release. When this happens, it seems that the follower will not be fully seated at the top of it's travel. Pushing down on the follower will give me a sluggish return. I just cleaned them internally when I installed the long springs.

Do you think the mags need tuning or internal polishing? Or how about different followers? I have a Dawson mag tuning kit coming and the followers are SV originals. And I do realize that most run without slide lock back, but I really prefer that it does.

Thanks!

You paid for SV. You get factory support, call the shop. Sounds like you might be messing with sucess, is the gun broken in?

You are correct, most LIM/OPEN shooters do not want the gun to lock back.

[motosapiens]

I would say glock is more like a ford fiesta, or a geo metro. Cheap, ugly and more or less functional.

Toyotas are top-quality vehicles without excessive luxury or finickiness, so a better toyota analogy would be to a mid-range 1911, like the STI Trojan.

[kneelingatlas]

Why aren't you reloading with a round in the chamber?

[fmj3]

I would say glock is more like a ford fiesta, or a geo metro. Cheap, ugly and more or less functional.

Toyotas are top-quality vehicles without excessive luxury or finickiness, so a better toyota analogy would be to a mid-range 1911, like the STI Trojan.

I'd just get the RIA labeled one instead of paying extra for the STI stamp

Kinda like buying a Porsche 944

[motosapiens]

I would say glock is more like a ford fiesta, or a geo metro. Cheap, ugly and more or less functional.

Toyotas are top-quality vehicles without excessive luxury or finickiness, so a better toyota analogy would be to a mid-range 1911, like the STI Trojan.

I'd just get the RIA labeled one instead of paying extra for the STI stamp

Kinda like buying a Porsche 944

If you have handled them both and think a RIA is anything like a trojan, then you will probably love a glock.

[fmj3]

I would say glock is more like a ford fiesta, or a geo metro. Cheap, ugly and more or less functional.

Toyotas are top-quality vehicles without excessive luxury or finickiness, so a better toyota analogy would be to a mid-range 1911, like the STI Trojan.

I'd just get the RIA labeled one instead of paying extra for the STI stamp

Kinda like buying a Porsche 944

If you have handled them both and think a RIA is anything like a trojan, then you will probably love a glock.

Have shot an RIA right next to a Trojan, bought the RIA and it shoots as nice as any out of the box Trojan.

Have Glocks that will shoot rings around both and waiting on a custom 2011 that will hopefully make me forget about shooting Glocks in competition again.

[38superfan]

Fmj are you sure you're not getting mixed up with the Spartan? That is made overseas. The trojan is made in Texas.

[motosapiens]

Have shot an RIA right next to a Trojan, bought the RIA and it shoots as nice as any out of the box Trojan.

Have Glocks that will shoot rings around both and waiting on a custom 2011 that will hopefully make me forget about shooting Glocks in competition again.

Your experience is different from mine, and from most others that I found when I researched the issue, but thanks for sharing it. Enjoy your glock.

[Sarge]

I have driven nothing but Toyotas for years. They just run and run. Just like Glock.

But, I also have a Cheely open gun that seems to be built right. It also runs and runs and.....

[fmj3]

Fmj are you sure you're not getting mixed up with the Spartan? That is made overseas. The trojan is made in Texas.

Yes, I am. Must be going senile.

[fmj3]

Have shot an RIA right next to a Trojan, bought the RIA and it shoots as nice as any out of the box Trojan.

Have Glocks that will shoot rings around both and waiting on a custom 2011 that will hopefully make me forget about shooting Glocks in competition again.

Your experience is different from mine, and from most others that I found when I researched the issue, but thanks for sharing it. Enjoy your glock.

Sorry, I was mistaken on the model.

But I do like shooting the Glock - well I actually like shooting everything, even the daughter's red ryder.

[sfinney]

They are all tools, like hammers. Which one fits your hand better? Which one do hit the nails with best?

I have three hammers. My grandad's well cared for old wood and steel handcrafted tool that is 80 years old (1911?). A steel and rubber handled basic hardware store special straight from China (Glock?). And a really nice fiber glass handled, really pretty, high quality, professional grade hammer (2011?).

Guess what? They all drive nails just fine Just personal preference, they each have a preferred use in my tool kit.

[kneelingatlas]

^+1^

Hey, a Glock is reliable, I can shoot tight groups with a Glock, the only trouble is that I throw up in my mouth a little every time I pull the trigger

I shoot CZ pattern pistols because I prefer the slide-in-frame design

[motosapiens]

Have shot an RIA right next to a Trojan, bought the RIA and it shoots as nice as any out of the box Trojan.

Have Glocks that will shoot rings around both and waiting on a custom 2011 that will hopefully make me forget about shooting Glocks in competition again.

Your experience is different from mine, and from most others that I found when I researched the issue, but thanks for sharing it. Enjoy your glock.

Sorry, I was mistaken on the model.

But I do like shooting the Glock - well I actually like shooting everything, even the daughter's red ryder.

Rats, I was hoping I had trolled you into saying something silly. Carry on, and keep shooting.

[kamikaze1a]

Is your slide lock setup to lock the slide? When I had my gun built the builder asked me if I want my slide to lock back on an empty mag. I chose to have him modify the slide lock so it doesn't. Even with unmodified followers my slide doesn't lock back on an empty mag.

When I got it, the slide stop was modified to not lock back at empty. I installed new stop and it would only lock back with certain mags. Installed longer 170mm mag springs and the slide locks back on all mags but sometimes will drop when I eject the mag. Slide lockback with certain mags problem free but other mags it will sometimes not push the stop up enough and slide will drop sometimes but not always.

You paid for SV. You get factory support, call the shop. Sounds like you might be messing with sucess, is the gun broken in?

You are correct, most LIM/OPEN shooters do not want the gun to lock back.

Unfortunately, I bought it used...does the warranty cover second owner?

I often get heat about my choice for lockback. The main reason is that our multi-gun match rules require ditching pistol with slide locked back and I feel it's quicker to shoot an extra shot or two to dry than to eject and manually lock the slide back. Additionally, I shoot L10 and can't seem to count to ten under the pressure of the COF.

[kamikaze1a]

Why aren't you reloading with a round in the chamber?

That is usually the plan or reload on the move but I feel that sometimes lockback has it's advantage. I try to avoid shooting to lockback except on the last shot of a COF.

Wondering though, do any Glock shooters modify their stop to not lockback? I believe many Glock shooters do not run the extended slide release but don't recall hearing about no lockback...

Edited August 27, 2013 by kamikaze1a

[fmj3]

Have shot an RIA right next to a Trojan, bought the RIA and it shoots as nice as any out of the box Trojan.

Have Glocks that will shoot rings around both and waiting on a custom 2011 that will hopefully make me forget about shooting Glocks in competition again.

Your experience is different from mine, and from most others that I found when I researched the issue, but thanks for sharing it. Enjoy your glock.

Sorry, I was mistaken on the model.

But I do like shooting the Glock - well I actually like shooting everything, even the daughter's red ryder.

Rats, I was hoping I had trolled you into saying something silly. Carry on, and keep shooting.

Almost.

I try to get my foot out as soon as I realize what I'm tasting.

[SouthernGunsLLC]

Why aren't you reloading with a round in the chamber?

That is usually the plan or reload on the move but I feel that sometimes lockback has it's advantage. I try to avoid shooting to lockback except on the last shot of a COF.

Wondering though, do any Glock shooters modify their stop to not lockback? I believe many Glock shooters do not run the extended slide release but don't recall hearing about no lockback...

Glock shooters dont have to as the slide wont lock back prematurely. I cant tell you how many failure to lock open on last shot ive seen with that extended slide catch on the Glocks though.

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[RangerTrace]

Is your slide lock setup to lock the slide? When I had my gun built the builder asked me if I want my slide to lock back on an empty mag. I chose to have him modify the slide lock so it doesn't. Even with unmodified followers my slide doesn't lock back on an empty mag.

When I got it, the slide stop was modified to not lock back at empty. I installed new stop and it would only lock back with certain mags. Installed longer 170mm mag springs and the slide locks back on all mags but sometimes will drop when I eject the mag. Slide lockback with certain mags problem free but other mags it will sometimes not push the stop up enough and slide will drop sometimes but not always.

You paid for SV. You get factory support, call the shop. Sounds like you might be messing with sucess, is the gun broken in?

You are correct, most LIM/OPEN shooters do not want the gun to lock back.

Unfortunately, I bought it used...does the warranty cover second owner?

I often get heat about my choice for lockback. The main reason is that our multi-gun match rules require ditching pistol with slide locked back and I feel it's quicker to shoot an extra shot or two to dry than to eject and manually lock the slide back. Additionally, I shoot L10 and can't seem to count to ten under the pressure of the COF.

Call Brandon at 972-513-1911 to see if he can help you with your pistol. If it is a factory built pistol, he may be able to help you out. Personally, I would put the original slide stop back in along with Grams guts in the mags and get used to locking the slide manually.

[Steve RA]

It's sort of like women: One of the super models would sure be good for the night, but, the girl next door is probably better for the long haul !!!

[kamikaze1a]

Is your slide lock setup to lock the slide? When I had my gun built the builder asked me if I want my slide to lock back on an empty mag. I chose to have him modify the slide lock so it doesn't. Even with unmodified followers my slide doesn't lock back on an empty mag.

When I got it, the slide stop was modified to not lock back at empty. I installed new stop and it would only lock back with certain mags. Installed longer 170mm mag springs and the slide locks back on all mags but sometimes will drop when I eject the mag. Slide lockback with certain mags problem free but other mags it will sometimes not push the stop up enough and slide will drop sometimes but not always.

You paid for SV. You get factory support, call the shop. Sounds like you might be messing with sucess, is the gun broken in?

You are correct, most LIM/OPEN shooters do not want the gun to lock back.

Unfortunately, I bought it used...does the warranty cover second owner?

I often get heat about my choice for lockback. The main reason is that our multi-gun match rules require ditching pistol with slide locked back and I feel it's quicker to shoot an extra shot or two to dry than to eject and manually lock the slide back. Additionally, I shoot L10 and can't seem to count to ten under the pressure of the COF.

Call Brandon at 972-513-1911 to see if he can help you with your pistol. If it is a factory built pistol, he may be able to help you out. Personally, I would put the original slide stop back in along with Grams guts in the mags and get used to locking the slide manually.

Thanks! I will give him a call. Is he with Strayer Voigt?

[kamikaze1a]

It's sort of like women: One of the super models would sure be good for the night, but, the girl next door is probably better for the long haul !!!

LOL I like you analogy better! Or is it metaphor?

Edited August 27, 2013 by kamikaze1a

[Steve RA]

Experience - although it was a singer and not a super model.