jonb. Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 So I just did a quick search on Ebay and saw Dillon stuff for sale: from $130-260 for steel .223 reloading die sets, super swages were selling for $150+, and conversion kits anywhere from $65 to $75. I just got my kit from Dillon on an order I made back in January and I would be lying if the resale value wasn't tempting me to wait another 3 months. Anyone know what the lead times are if I ordered today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray S Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 I know the feeling I sold my square deal to buy a 550 but by the time it got here I was thinking of selling it for a 650. My wife talked me out of it. She said if I did I couldn't complain about not having a press while I was waiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripod Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Isn't the free market great. Supply and demand at it's finest. Cleaned out a lot of Dillon stuff mainly Square Deal B items and sold them on Ebay. Haven't had a square Deal B for 10 or more years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTNuge Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 I had a 650 on order from BE when I found one locally that I bought. I thought long and hard about flipping it and just waiting for the one on order but my need for instant gratification won. I cancelled my order thinking that those that are waiting for theirs from BE/Dillon are the ones who will be using them more so than flipping them. I'm sure in reality there are just as many on order that will be used by the purchaser compared to those that will eventually be flipped for profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester121 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Keep in mind that "listed for $X on eBay" doesn't mean "selling for $X". Car dealers put all kinds of full price stickers on the car windows, but customers typically pay a good bit less than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzi Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Nothing to see here, move along now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonb. Posted March 29, 2013 Author Share Posted March 29, 2013 (edited) Keep in mind that "listed for $X on eBay" doesn't mean "selling for $X". I searched sold or closed items. Edited March 29, 2013 by jonb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moneytree78 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Sad...Stuff is still actually "selling" on ebay...The completed auctions for 650 quick change kits are $200....Even the powder check are getting $150-$160....It sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 You think the prices on Ebay are bad, I went into my LGS yesterday and saw they had 2 Dillon 550 presses NIB. I went over to look and see what caliber they were and the price they had on them was $ 559. No caliber conversion kit. They had a 1050 for $ 1799 as well. I think that is the last time I will go there for anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabe Athouse Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Sad...Stuff is still actually "selling" on ebay...The completed auctions for 650 quick change kits are $200....Even the powder check are getting $150-$160....It sucks I'm not wanting to sound confrontational but I don't get the meaning. Why is it sad stuff is selling on ebay? I sell stuff on ebay almost monthly. I don't follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngeyes Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Sad...Stuff is still actually "selling" on ebay...The completed auctions for 650 quick change kits are $200....Even the powder check are getting $150-$160....It sucks I'm not wanting to sound confrontational but I don't get the meaning. Why is it sad stuff is selling on ebay? I sell stuff on ebay almost monthly. I don't follow. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzi Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Simple supply and demand is concepts many of today's Americans fail to understand. I suppose one can blame the modern American "educational" system that indoctrinates young adults and children with socialism and 'fairness' and everyone should be equal under the sun, that capitalism is bad and evil. Now, don't take me wrong I don't assert anyone who has commented above to fall into that demographic. I too can whine about someone else willing to pay more for highly sought for and in short supply items than I am willing to pay. I am going to be charitable and presume that is the base of any complaints. Ebay is nothing more than pure economic forces on display. You see people list items that other people want. Bids ensue. Eventually the buyer, or in Ebay terms dah 'winner', determines the value of the item(s). If supply catches up with demand prices fall as customers of Ebay sellers won't offer as much as they won't have to. That market will die and things should go back to 'normal'. Those that still want to complain about 'evil marketeers' can simply take a course in economics and learn what supply and demand is all about and why America is the strongest economy on the planet in history. Well, one can safely argue that is far less so today with vastly increased socialism tendencies of the US Federal Government in the past 30 years and that is accelerating at warp speed under Obama and the like.... but we still prevail so far. Sadly it is far more difficult for a small business to get into the act these days than it was 30 and more years ago. Far more regulations, tax laws, employee costs and ad nasuem. Just a simple thing as the jack assian minimum wage law can prevent a small business from taking off or even being started. I could ramble on... A free market will have the ability to respond to extreme demand. Hopefully by more producers coming on line, seeking phat profits themselves. Ebay isn't about producers of course(mostly). It is about who has something and who wants something. It is just a barometer of sorts. Of course, someone could chime in with a 'Blame the Rich' argument. After all it is someone who has MORE than you do that is willing to blow more cash on something than you are. That rich bastard........! Therefor it is the rich causing prices to rise.. there I started your argument. Feel free to expand I got some 12 dollar a six pack brewskies waiting for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Supply and demand does not explain buying something for twice MSRP. I mean there are used presses selling for over MSRP of a new one. I just cannot believe that people are either that desperate of see the near future as that bleak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gennaro Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Unfortunately, this time around, the panic seems to be running alot deeper. We just have to wait it out the best we can. Hopefully, the reloading supplies will catch up in a reasonable amount of time. I'm trying to be optimistic here, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash66 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I got a 1050 back in December so I recently put my Dillon 550B and a Dillon trimmer up for sale on the ARFCOM EE. Because I wasn't that anxious to sell it I asked only a few dollars less than a new press and trimmer. Nobody even responded to me, which was fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastiff Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 In about 5 mins a Carbide 223 Set will be closing on ebay. It's at $280 right now, but I bet it will clear $300+. There are other sellers selling the standard die set, not carbide, and those are at $250 in another auction. I wonder if the bidders, or some of the newcomers to reloading know which they are buying. I'm all for free markets, but if it were my auction, I'd always disclose whether they are the carbide or steel dies. Seems like the right thing to do, especially when they bring that much money right now. Things will change, patience. Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastiff Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I was wrong. They only brought $280.00. I guess someone didn't want them badly enough. Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moneytree78 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Sad...Stuff is still actually "selling" on ebay...The completed auctions for 650 quick change kits are $200....Even the powder check are getting $150-$160....It sucks I'm not wanting to sound confrontational but I don't get the meaning. Why is it sad stuff is selling on ebay? I sell stuff on ebay almost monthly. I don't follow. Not a bad thing...Dont get me wrong ....I sell my own stuff on ebay as well...I have almost 1000 transactions in myself. What is sad is that people are hunting for this stuff just to sell it which keeps it out of the hands of the people that need it.Again its the market....It just kills me that a quick change kit is gonna cost me $200 plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckols Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Guys, I just went through this situation in late 2012 when we were trying to make up our minds on a which reloading machine of the Dillon series, etc.., to buy and trying to understand what we really needed. When I wanted to buy a bunch of construction equipment several years ago, I got smart on what items cost and then I went to see if I could do better on EBay. On Ebay I marked items to watch and noted what they sold for and when I was ready to buy I knew the market at that general moment and I bid and acted cooly and pretty soon I had nailed down and bought in fair auction the items I needed at the total delivered costs I was willing to pay. I had to pass up a lot of items whose prices had gotten inflated by wacky buyers who did not have the discipline required to be an auction buyer. The market and I were done and I went on to other things. This story applies well to today's market in anything related to Guns. When I looked at Dillon's products on EBay in October 2101 I ran into a market badly inflated by the "gun control issue", scarcity was apparently badly inflated in all items(real market demand and hoarders) and a "panic" willingness on the buyers to spend over MSRP as an acceptable premium for getting the item immediately rather than enduring a long and uncertain delivery time. I felt also that the premium was exaserbated by many uninformed buyers who either really didn't know how to buy on EBay or had little knowlege of the value of the goods they were trying to secure. Human nature at work. That's when I decided that the EBay marketplace was not the answer here. A bit more work and "Brian" was discovered and soon we had placed an order; we waited for 8 weeks and now we are about ready to pour powder and reload brass cases. Brian's website and his Forums were nice treasures to discover. This just illustrates the beauty of this Forum. Here you can become informed and avoid/rectify a lot of mistakes and stress by seeking help from those that know and are willing to help. I just wish that I had found it sooner. Peace, Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) Supply and demand does not explain buying something for twice MSRP. I mean there are used presses selling for over MSRP of a new one. I don't know which economics books you've been reading professor, but I think that's exactly what the law of supply and demand explains. Edited May 22, 2013 by kneelingatlas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Simple supply and demand is concepts many of today's Americans fail to understand. I suppose one can blame the modern American "educational" system that indoctrinates young adults and children with socialism and 'fairness' and everyone should be equal under the sun, that capitalism is bad and evil. Now, don't take me wrong I don't assert anyone who has commented above to fall into that demographic. I too can whine about someone else willing to pay more for highly sought for and in short supply items than I am willing to pay. I am going to be charitable and presume that is the base of any complaints. Ebay is nothing more than pure economic forces on display. You see people list items that other people want. Bids ensue. Eventually the buyer, or in Ebay terms dah 'winner', determines the value of the item(s). If supply catches up with demand prices fall as customers of Ebay sellers won't offer as much as they won't have to. That market will die and things should go back to 'normal'. Those that still want to complain about 'evil marketeers' can simply take a course in economics and learn what supply and demand is all about and why America is the strongest economy on the planet in history. Well, one can safely argue that is far less so today with vastly increased socialism tendencies of the US Federal Government in the past 30 years and that is accelerating at warp speed under Obama and the like.... but we still prevail so far. Sadly it is far more difficult for a small business to get into the act these days than it was 30 and more years ago. Far more regulations, tax laws, employee costs and ad nasuem. Just a simple thing as the jack assian minimum wage law can prevent a small business from taking off or even being started. I could ramble on... A free market will have the ability to respond to extreme demand. Hopefully by more producers coming on line, seeking phat profits themselves. Ebay isn't about producers of course(mostly). It is about who has something and who wants something. It is just a barometer of sorts. Of course, someone could chime in with a 'Blame the Rich' argument. After all it is someone who has MORE than you do that is willing to blow more cash on something than you are. That rich bastard........! Therefor it is the rich causing prices to rise.. there I started your argument. Feel free to expand I got some 12 dollar a six pack brewskies waiting for me. I quoted this one because I like it. what you write is reasonably true. what you may not know is that the bay has a problem with shills. so free market is not the total picture... e-bay is my LAST resort for buying anything and some items are available in no other place. miranda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Supply and demand does not explain buying something for twice MSRP. I mean there are used presses selling for over MSRP of a new one. I don't know which economics books you've been reading professor, but I think that's exactly what the law of supply and demand explains. It is not S & D that is causing this, it is our need for instant gratification. Our refusal to wait our turn. We see it everywhere. Dillon has plenty of these items and is still selling them. For some reason, people are not willing to wait. What is the hurry ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alvarez Kelly Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Supply and demand does not explain buying something for twice MSRP. I mean there are used presses selling for over MSRP of a new one. I don't know which economics books you've been reading professor, but I think that's exactly what the law of supply and demand explains. ... it is our need for instant gratification. Our refusal to wait our turn. ... THAT is the demand in Supply and Demand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) our need for instant gratification. Our refusal to wait our turn. I take offense to you speaking on my behalf; I know you probably didn't even notice you did that, but that's the consequence of the collective language you chose. I am an individual, I do not have a need for instant gratification, I do not refuse to wait my turn, yet I am lumped into the collective you chastise. You may of may not believe you have a need for instant gratification or a problem waiting your turn, but judging by your responses above I don't think you're including yourself in that collective either. It is much more socially acceptable to criticize we than you people, but it seems to me that's exactly what you're doing. Surely this seems like an overreaction to an innocuous comment, but I see collectivism as a particularly ugly form of bigotry. Edited to add: I understand Brian created to talk about guns and the sport I love (and I suspect most here love it as well) not philosophy, religion or politics, so I'll cut it out. Edited May 22, 2013 by kneelingatlas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 wow. I am thinking most people do not see the subtlety you describe in " collectivism " ... it is a true problem and we should avoid it, however you may have a uphill battle to apply it to them what use it. this the bay/dillon market is frustrating. Like an itch you can't scratch the whole thing will fester and play upon the mind until one finds a release for the tensions. I go put holes in paper for that relief .. oh! wait. ammo is the problem ain't it. miranda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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