Craig N Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Does anyone use the el cheapo tula 9mm ammo for matches? I know a lot of people use it for practice. Just wondered if anyone did since its cheaper than most 9mm bulk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Any port in a storm right? For the most part Tula makes a decent product whether it be primers or ammo. I see the occasional steel case stuff laying around after a match. Also S&B is fairly cheap and it gets used as well. To me what makes the cheap stuff less than ideal is the bullet weight/powder combinations that are available, not it's perceived cheapness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EkuJustice Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 A better cheap ammo if you can find it is the blazer aluminum case. The make the blazer aluminum in a 124 grain load as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlgentlegiant Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Be careful that you magnet check the ammo because a lot of the Tula is steel jacketed with a copper plate. We had to DQ a guy locally due to this when we saw sparks popping when he shot steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OUshooter Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 (edited) If you have swapped out any springs you may run into ignition issues. I painfully watched an G34 with competition spring pack not reliably light primers for a match. I've shot both Tula and Monarch steel cased stuff through my CM9 with no issues to report. Smells funny but runs fine. Edited November 30, 2012 by OUshooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OUshooter Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Be careful that you magnet check the ammo because a lot of the Tula is steel jacketed with a copper plate. We had to DQ a guy locally due to this when we saw sparks popping when he shot steel. Just curious.....what rule was cited for the DQ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Be careful that you magnet check the ammo because a lot of the Tula is steel jacketed with a copper plate. We had to DQ a guy locally due to this when we saw sparks popping when he shot steel. Just curious.....what rule was cited for the DQ? Most likely: 10.5.15 Using metal piercing, incendiary and/or tracer ammunition (see Rule 5.5.3), and/or using any ammunition which has been deemed unsafe by a Range Official (see Rule 5.5.5). I wondered about this as well. It's most likely not technically metal piercing ammo but if it is sparking on steel then it is certainly unsafe ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brenden Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 I know you're shooting 9mm, at area 3 there was a shooter bumped to minor when his tula in 40 didn't make major. He was shooting limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OUshooter Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 (edited) Be careful that you magnet check the ammo because a lot of the Tula is steel jacketed with a copper plate. We had to DQ a guy locally due to this when we saw sparks popping when he shot steel. Just curious.....what rule was cited for the DQ? Most likely: 10.5.15 Using metal piercing, incendiary and/or tracer ammunition (see Rule 5.5.3), and/or using any ammunition which has been deemed unsafe by a Range Official (see Rule 5.5.5). I wondered about this as well. It's most likely not technically metal piercing ammo but if it is sparking on steel then it is certainly unsafe ammo. In principle I don't disagree, but by rule I do. If I can't DQ a shooter for ammo that has had 1 squib per stage for the last 4 stages then I don't see how ammo that "sparks" on a popper is "unsafe". Edited November 30, 2012 by OUshooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchiepinoy Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 I like tulamo better than my 115 minor load Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Be careful that you magnet check the ammo because a lot of the Tula is steel jacketed with a copper plate. We had to DQ a guy locally due to this when we saw sparks popping when he shot steel. Just curious.....what rule was cited for the DQ? Most likely: 10.5.15 Using metal piercing, incendiary and/or tracer ammunition (see Rule 5.5.3), and/or using any ammunition which has been deemed unsafe by a Range Official (see Rule 5.5.5). I wondered about this as well. It's most likely not technically metal piercing ammo but if it is sparking on steel then it is certainly unsafe ammo. In principle I don't disagree, but by rule I do. If I can't DQ a shooter for ammo that has had 1 squib per stage for the last 4 stages then I don't see how ammo that "sparks" on a popper is "unsafe". My guess would be that steel jacketed ammo will react differently on steel by not deforming as well as copper or pure lead. Ricochets come to mind as being a serious concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlgentlegiant Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 It was a local practice match in an indoor range. Range safety ricochet concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croomrider Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 In principle I don't disagree, but by rule I do. If I can't DQ a shooter for ammo that has had 1 squib per stage for the last 4 stages then I don't see how ammo that "sparks" on a popper is "unsafe". Why would you think that ammo causing squibs is the only type of ammo that could be "deemed unsafe" by a range official? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EkuJustice Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Under 5.5.5 the ammo would need to be deemed unsafe and removed from the match he would then need to ignore that and continue using it to get a dq. I would like to know the reason for the dq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 If the RO feels that a number of squibs in a row is unsafe, then that would fall under the same rules as the "sparking" ammo, I'd think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OUshooter Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 (edited) In principle I don't disagree, but by rule I do. If I can't DQ a shooter for ammo that has had 1 squib per stage for the last 4 stages then I don't see how ammo that "sparks" on a popper is "unsafe". Why would you think that ammo causing squibs is the only type of ammo that could be "deemed unsafe" by a range official? Mike Squibs was just the example I was thinking of that is given a specific exception in the rules. 10.5.15.1 Ammunition declared unsafe by a Range Official due to multiple squibs, shall not subject the competitor to disqalification. I've seen overpressure ammo lock up open guns and was deemed unsafe. None others come to mind as I type, but I'm sure there are other examples. I do think steel coreish pistol ammo would count as "unsafe" in my book, but I also think its a somewhat tricky line in the sand to draw. I guess I was mainly trying to draw attention to the fact that our rule book make a clear exception for ammo that could cause a very dangerous situation. I would hope that a fellow competitor who experienced multiple squibs in a match would voluntarily withdraw, so protect themselves and the rest of the squad. Edited November 30, 2012 by OUshooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 If you deem the ammo unsafe, and the competitor continues to use it, then they are subject to DQ. I think 10.5.15(.1) is saying you can't be DQ'd for squibs, but you scanbe DQ'd for continuing to use unsafe ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 If you deem the ammo unsafe, and the competitor continues to use it, then they are subject to DQ. I think 10.5.15(.1) is saying you can't be DQ'd for squibs, but you scanbe DQ'd for continuing to use unsafe ammo. I agree unless they considered it metal piercing ammo since it had a steel jacket? 10.5.15 Using metal piercing, incendiary and/or tracer ammunition (see Rule 5.5.3), and/or using any ammunition which has been deemed unsafe by a Range Official (see Rule 5.5.5). 5.5.5 Any ammunition deemed unsafe by a Range Officer must be immediately withdrawn from the match. 10.5.15.1 Ammunition declared unsafe by a Range Official due to multiple squibs, shall not subject the competitor to disqualification. For me to DQ somebody for this I would have to know that they know it is metal piercing ammo. If I saw sparks I would stop the shooter for sure. Then we could go about the business of determining what is up with the ammo. The ammo would be done but not necessarily the shooter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 I used Tula and Monarch for practice a lot. My G34 with competition trigger work would not reliably ignite any steel cased 9mm. My M&P Pro 9 with APEX competition kits eats the steel case 9 with no issues. Not picking a Glock versus M&P discussion - just pointing out that some pistols (especially with trigger work) will not reliably ignite the steel case 9 primers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EkuJustice Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 That ammo is not steel core it is a bimetallic jacket and is not penetrator ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas H Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 That ammo is not steel core it is a bimetallic jacket and is not penetrator ammo. Absolutely. Tula (or Wolf) ammo is not in any way "metal-piercing" ammunition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin c Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Would sparking ammo that set the brush on the berm of an outdoor range be considered unsafe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jromanowski Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 (edited) Does anyone use the el cheapo tula 9mm ammo for matches? I know a lot of people use it for practice. Just wondered if anyone did since its cheaper than most 9mm bulk. I have been shooting aguila ammo at matches for more than a year now and I have never had any problems with it. Its prices are fairly compairable to tula ammo, and it has a brass case. I have shot tula ammo before and had one out of ten not fire. http://www.sgammo.co...nition/9mm-9x19 Edited December 1, 2012 by Jromanowski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OUshooter Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Would sparking ammo that set the brush on the berm of an outdoor range be considered unsafe? That could be a big concern for us here in OK. With the drought conditions here a grass fire would be a serious issue. Is this a range by range issue? Can a competitor get a DQ for violating standing range rules? I fear we have strayed for the OPs intent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicVerAZ Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 I bought one box before I started loading and was just into plinking, way before I started P.S. competition. I shot about half of the box and was not happy with the accuracy. I could shoot a 2" group at 60" with WWB, but Tulammo was a bit all over the place. At that point, between two reloads, the RO tapped on my shoulder and told me that I was shooting steel core ammo and that it was illegal at that range (Caswell's in Mesa). I finished with WWB and I could tell it was a lot more accurate, although with more power. I still have that half box in my safe. I intend to just give it away. Not impressed, not worth the 10% saving if you don't reload. And you cannot reload that brass. In case of a zombie assault, if my last retreat is my gun room, then I probably would use that Tulammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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