Nimitz Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 I'm currently using WST for my 147 lead practice ammo but will be shooting FMJs for matches. I've heard that WST may not be desirable for FMJs? If so, what are folks using for 147 FMJs loaded to minor P F? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthshine402 Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 I use Titegroup. Others use N320. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlockCanMan Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 VV N320 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy kemlo Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 I use 3.1g of Titegroup loaded to 1.15 for my M&P pro 5". I am using Berrys 147g and it makes 130 PF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolex Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 +1 for N320 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoMiE Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 WST will work fine with FMJ, I use it for lead and jacketed bullets, no problems. Doesn't get as hot as tite group and not as expensive as N320 and I can always find it locally, no hazmat fees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 WW231 - an old powder, but I still have a few pounds left over from 1989 Works very well - can't compare it to any of these new dang 21st century powders - guess they might work better, but I don't see how. From reading these postings, everyone will tell you N320, but every once in a while you will hear about N330 or N340, and a few others that are supposed to be pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trident Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 ++++++++N320 by far the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 ++++++++N320 by far the best Trident, when you compared N320 to WW231, what was the advantage of the N320? Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gng4life Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 N320 for my 124 and 147s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kframe_mike Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Call me crazy,but I really like Unique with 147s.The Boss Lady and I both agree that it has a nice smooth recoil pulse.It seems to be a pretty quiet powder with a suppressor too.-Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 ++++++++N320 by far the best No way! N320 is decent, but "by far"...NOT. Some people like Solo1000, some 231, some WST some WSF, some Clays and there a lot of others. There are a scant few people, that loaded to the same minor PF out of the same gun can tell the difference between these variety of powders. At the opposite extremes, there is a small difference. When I went through testing 9mm, I found the "feel" at equivalent PFs was affected by the bullet, and that changed some from gun to gun. The feel from powder to powder, at minor PF, sorry, there just is not enough there to say one is superb, especially since we all have slight variations on how we like and perceive recoil. Many years ago I did some testing with 9mm and the vast majority of my testers could not perceive a charge weight difference of under .35 grains in 9mm loads at around 150 PF, and they were experienced shooters. I would not say don't use N320, it is surely a good powder, but some people just get too wrapped up around small things that make no difference...I used to as well, but that 12 step program is working out for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted June 8, 2012 Author Share Posted June 8, 2012 MarkCO ... That's the kind of data I was looking for. I have a lot of WST because I 'm sending six to seven hundred lead rds a week down range and I only need 200 FMJs per month for match ammo so I was hoping to just stay with WST . Thought I read a post on here somewhere where someone said it took more WST with FMJs raising the pressure so I figured I'd ask ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightrod Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 +1 for N320 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fltbed Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 I’ve been loading 3.6 gr. of WST with Bear Creek 147’s for a while now in my M&P 9L but switching over to Precision Delta’s 147 FMJ required bumping the powder charge up to 3.9 to get the same 130 PF. No pressure issues that I can find. (OAL for both bullets is 1.145) Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted June 9, 2012 Author Share Posted June 9, 2012 Fltbed - why the switch in bullets? I'm still waiting on my 250 rd sample I bought from precision to test them... I also have some SnS and Missouri lead to try out. I've also heard good things about Berry CMJs ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillR1 Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 I use 3.1g of Titegroup loaded to 1.15 for my M&P pro 5". I am using Berrys 147g and it makes 130 PF. I use 3.2gr at the same OAL, and get about 132pf from my 5" Pro. Nice load! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck s Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 I have used WST, W231, Clays,titegroup and n320 and I have to say I can live with all of them, they all seem fine to me, however, if I had to pick one, it would be n320. It seems to meter the best, least messy on my 1050 loader and very clean in the gun. I use Monatana Gold or Precision Delta 147g bullits generally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trident Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 I have used WST, W231, Clays,titegroup and n320 and I have to say I can live with all of them, they all seem fine to me, however, if I had to pick one, it would be n320. It seems to meter the best, least messy on my 1050 loader and very clean in the gun. I use Monatana Gold or Precision Delta 147g bullits generally. This about sums it up.... just ran W231 today against N320. Both work...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fltbed Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Fltbed - why the switch in bullets? I'm still waiting on my 250 rd sample I bought from precision to test them... I also have some SnS and Missouri lead to try out. I've also heard good things about Berry CMJs ... I was mentoring a new shooter on how to reload last winter. IMO, it’s easier to learn reloading with jacketed bullets. He started with a sample pack of PD’s, then I split a 2K order with him and found out my gun really liked them. I still shoot a lot of Bear Creek’s but it’s good to have options. Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted June 10, 2012 Author Share Posted June 10, 2012 hmmmm .... good to know as I'm just getting started myself. I guy who had been reoading for me is leaving FL so I decided to dive off the cliff & bought a complete 650. I'm still in the process of setting up the machine but I sounds like I may want to break down and get some jacketed bullets to begin. I'm shooting lead for practice to keep costs down to .10/rd ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trident Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 ++++++++N320 by far the best Trident, when you compared N320 to WW231, what was the advantage of the N320? Jack Jack, I tried W231 against N320 under both Berries 124g and 147g and MG 124 JHP in MP 5" pro and Sig P226. I loaded 3.6, 3.8, & 4.0, W231 under the Berries 124g HBRN @ 1.148 as follows: S&W Pro 5" Berries 124g 3.6 916 113 PF 1 SP, 1 FTF 3.8 965 119 PF Swage 4.0 1020 126 PF S&W Pro 5" Berries 147g 3.4 907 133PF 3.6 934 137 PF Berries grouped 4" 25yds Freestyle S&W Pro 5" 4.2 W231 under MG 124JHP 1048 130 PF Sig P226 4.2 W231 under MG 124g JHP 1029 127 PF MP Pro 5" 4.2 N320 under MG 124g JHP 1040 SD16 128 PF Sig 226 4.2 N320 under MG 124 CMJ 1015 SD20 128PF 4.3 N320 under MG 124 CMJ 1071 132PF MG grouped 6" with JHP being slightly better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trident Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 ++++++++N320 by far the best Trident, when you compared N320 to WW231, what was the advantage of the N320? Jack Jack, I tried W231 against N320 under both Berries 124g and 147g and MG 124 JHP in MP 5" pro and Sig P226. I loaded 3.6, 3.8, & 4.0, W231 under the Berries 124g HBRN @ 1.148 as follows: S&W Pro 5" Berries 124g 3.6 916 113 PF 1 SP, 1 FTF 3.8 965 119 PF Swage 4.0 1020 126 PF S&W Pro 5" Berries 147g 3.4 907 133PF 3.6 934 137 PF Berries grouped 4" 25yds Freestyle S&W Pro 5" 4.2 W231 under MG 124JHP 1048 130 PF Sig P226 4.2 W231 under MG 124g JHP 1029 127 PF MP Pro 5" 4.2 N320 under MG 124g JHP 1040 SD16 128 PF Sig 226 4.2 N320 under MG 124 CMJ 1015 SD20 128PF 4.3 N320 under MG 124 CMJ 1071 132PF MG grouped 6" with JHP being slightly better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 ++++++++N320 by far the best Trident, when you compared N320 to WW231, what was the advantage of the N320? Jack Jack, I tried W231 against N320 under both Berries 124g and 147g and MG 124 JHP in MP 5" pro and Sig P226. I loaded 3.6, 3.8, & 4.0, W231 under the Berries 124g HBRN @ 1.148 as follows: S&W Pro 5" Berries 124g 3.6 916 113 PF 1 SP, 1 FTF 3.8 965 119 PF Swage 4.0 1020 126 PF S&W Pro 5" Berries 147g 3.4 907 133PF 3.6 934 137 PF Berries grouped 4" 25yds Freestyle S&W Pro 5" 4.2 W231 under MG 124JHP 1048 130 PF Sig P226 4.2 W231 under MG 124g JHP 1029 127 PF MP Pro 5" 4.2 N320 under MG 124g JHP 1040 SD16 128 PF Sig 226 4.2 N320 under MG 124 CMJ 1015 SD20 128PF 4.3 N320 under MG 124 CMJ 1071 132PF MG grouped 6" with JHP being slightly better. Trident, sorry, but I must have accidentally taken two of my stupid pills this morning But, did you find that N320 is more accurate, or softer, or that you required fewer grains to achieve PF than the WW231 (with the same bullet and same gun), or is it cleaner? I apologize, but I still don't see what it is that you preferred with the N320 vs the WW231? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted June 10, 2012 Author Share Posted June 10, 2012 Thx all for your detailed responses ... Looks like I'm good to stick with WST ... Now all I have left is to settle on either 124 or 147 and which bullet: Missouri, Precision or SnS for lead and then either Berry's or Momtana Gold for match ammo ... Looks like I'll be becoming very good friends with my chrono ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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