Jadeslade Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 I appreciate Xre's post. Most of these don't address the original poster's question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
want2race Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Referring to GM classification? There have been other GM's that have posted. Next update, there will be one more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 I feel a lot better about myself now that I realize a lot of you guys are talking about open guns. I've pulled similar splits on similar targets with Limited and Production guns (well, a Mink tuned CZ, anyway... I can do .12s all day long my M&P...). Of course, it's already been pointed out that splits are basically worthless, but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
want2race Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 The higher up the chain you go, it all matters. Stage wins of less than 1 second are common. I don't think fast splits are irrelevant, if they are still good scoring hits. Faster is faster. Experience and gun type dictate the distance, not really the speed, of effective hammer shots. .11's and .12's are about as fast a I've recorded. All iron sight guns. On video, an .11 split will sound like one shot with an echo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 On video, an .11 split will sound like one shot with an echo. Untrue. See my above example... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 I feel a lot better about myself now that I realize a lot of you guys are talking about open guns. I've pulled similar splits on similar targets with Limited and Production guns (well, a Mink tuned CZ, anyway... I can do .12s all day long my M&P...). Of course, it's already been pointed out that splits are basically worthless, but... Agreed, inside 7m I pull almost all guns about the same (except maybe a revolver, I used to be able to run just under .20 with a wheel gun) My .45 SS, my buddies M&P Pro, a stock Glock, or my Open gun, all run at around .13 to .16 at the fastest, mostly I don`t go much faster than .18, .19 in a match. Sure, I`ve pulled a .09 once in a match but realistically I don`t shoot anywhere near that fast. I know lots of A and B class shooters that can shoot way faster splits than me, but I`ll beat them at every match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singlestack Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 I'm A class and I could not care less what my splits are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadeslade Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Referring to GM classification? There have been other GM's that have posted. Next update, there will be one more. Times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
want2race Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Referring to GM classification? There have been other GM's that have posted. Next update, there will be one more. Times. gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perttupp Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I'm not a GM, but I'd like to think I have a pretty snappy trigger finger if it needs to be. Here's a video of a hoser stage at a competition last summer. Fastest splits are .10-.11. Once or twice I've managed to get the timer to show 0.09 but I don't really think it matters. Just shoot as fast as you can hit and take the time out of everywhere else but the shooting. http://perttupp.kuvat.fi/kuvat/BE/FILE0024.MOV BR, Perttupp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 That's no good and congrats on your 3 gun pro series status.? Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pries81 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 All things being equal, I don't see why splits wouldn't be important. My splits are consistantly 11 ,12 with my G34 5-7yds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singlestack Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 All things being equal, I don't see why splits wouldn't be important. My splits are consistantly 11 ,12 with my G34 5-7yds. When you consider how long it takes to do everything else, any time lost or gained in splits will be very hard to notice unless you have really slow splits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 (edited) All things being equal, I don't see why splits wouldn't be important. My splits are consistantly 11 ,12 with my G34 5-7yds. Split time alone has no value. Bullet placement is a key component in scoring well, as well as the time it takes to get to the next target. Generally fastsplitters will have slow transitions because they aren't seeing both shots, and just hammering the trigger and hoping for the best. The top shooters will see the shots and get the shots to the next target in the time it takes them to see the shots, which makes for a lower time to shoot an array of targets. I'm one who spent many tends of thousands of rounds trying to be a fastsplitter, and now I try hard to not do it when I want to shoot a good match. Though there are times when it does come in handy, but they are few and far between in a well designed stage. Here is a video example of a good time to have it and a bad time in the same match. 3:00 in I fired 5 or so shots when I need two and and I had all the hits on the target and I only needed 2, but I lost control and puked some bullets and lost the stage by one extra shot, even through it wasn't slow. 4:35 I saw the first shots, but knew I had to go fast or wait for it to go around the no shoot which would be slow (I think we had to have 5 hits on the target) and the last were just gas down. I would much rather have every shot accurate and in the right spot than have sub .15 splits on any target. You can see .10-15 with an open gun, but I don't know that it is possible for many folks to actually see sub .15 with irons consistently. Edited February 5, 2012 by Loves2Shoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Here is a video example of a good time to have it and a bad time in the same match. Link? I would much rather have every shot accurate and in the right spot than have sub .15 splits on any target. You can see .10-15 with an open gun, but I don't know that it is possible for many folks to actually see sub .15 with irons consistently. It's tough to do with irons, for sure - I can see the dot move at .08s and call shots, etc, with an Open gun (assuming my dot is bright enough, etc), but I whole heartedly agree that having every shot accurate (and called) is far better than fast splits. My average splits on any meaningful target aren't faster than .15 anyway, so... Transitions between targets at those ranges are worth quite a bit more to my score, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHA-LEE Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 (edited) I can regularly pull off .10 - .12 splits on close hoser stuff with my limited gun. I have been able to get sub .10 splits here or there but its rare. I have only one video of a .08 on target split that I personally confirmed on the timer. The .08 split happens in the last shooting position on the third target in. This was from an "Outlaw" match were they used the funky tomb stone ICORE targets. Shooting fast is fun but as other have said, if you can't call your shots and get solid hit at that speed its pointless. What separates the top dogs from the rest of us is their ability to shoot quickly and effectively on the tighter and longer shots. Anyone with a fast finger can chain saw out rounds quickly. The real wickedness is seeing top end shooters engage 20+ Yard partial targets with sub .20 splits and transitions. That's where the real beat down happens to most other shooters when comparing stage times. Edited February 5, 2012 by CHA-LEE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Link? fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pries81 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I agree that it is a small amount of time. But the amount of time it takes to get an accurate follow-up (controlled pair, split) shot is very important when observed across an entire match. Splits are important and should correspond to the difficulty of the target, therefore they can also be an important training tool. If a shooter isn't using his recoil (or controlling it) properly, the follow up shot will usually not be accurate or timely. This corresponds to transition time too. The split should be about the same for a close target. If the split is that much slower, techniques need to be changed or the shot taken faster for better efficiency. A shooter who does this well will have a good cadence on an array, with good hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I wrote this awhile ago but it goes through the numbers: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=86718&view=&hl=&fromsearch=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Griffin Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Trying to go fast, .16 is about the absolute fastest I can go on a real shot. During a match I'd say .20-.25 is a lot more realistic. In practice just seeing how fast I can go, I've seen a .14 but never anything faster. Wheelgun. Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whoops! Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) .05 seconds over 20 shots is 1 full second. Splits win matches. So do trasnsitions, and reloads, and moving fast. Edited February 20, 2012 by Whoops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonovanM Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Trying to go fast, .16 is about the absolute fastest I can go on a real shot. During a match I'd say .20-.25 is a lot more realistic. In practice just seeing how fast I can go, I've seen a .14 but never anything faster. Wheelgun. Matt So awesome. Most people can't do that with an itty bitty reset and a 2lb trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidnal Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 In practice I've had .09 and more commonly .10 and .11, but never if I'm trying to push it. The fast finger only shows up when I'm thinking smooth, both open and limited. .12 and .13 happen in matches frequently, but as others have alread stated...transitions are much more important. I'm A class and the master class guys with slower fingers leave me in the dust! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 The fast finger only shows up when I'm thinking smooth, both open and limited. What does that tell you about shooting fast splits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dravz Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 What does that tell you about shooting fast splits? Tense muscles are slower than relaxed ones! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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