Patrick Scott Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Ordered up a 550 kit from Brian this weekend. I have no components on hand at the moment just brass. I would like to try to buy powder locally due to shipping cost. Ill be loading 9 minor for Production for two guns one is a G34 the other a G19. What powders should be on my list of options? I already have N320, Titegroup, Solo 1000, and WST on the list. What else is out there I should be looking for? I will be running 147gr bullets. After reading on the forums here I really want to find some 320, but I don't know if anyone around here will have it. I want to have a powder list sorted out so I can call the shops in the area to see if they have any on hand before venturing out to buy some. Thank You Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Clays should be on that list....I'm sure that a local shop will have it. Primers.....Calipers.....A scale....Kinetic bullet puller....ammo storage boxes....Tumbler and media....chronograph... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonS Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 (edited) http://www.powdervalleyinc.com/ You really can't go wrong with N320 and 147 gr bullets for 9mm minor, though there are other powders nearly as good (and you've hit several of them in your post). My personal opinion is that N320 is worth ordering even if you can't find it local. (That said, it's not a cheap powder, and having to pay the hazmat fee doesn't help.) Keep in mind if you have to order powder and primers online, you have to pay a hazmat shipping tax, so it's great if you can find powder locally, however a lot of the more popular competition powders like VV-N320 (Limited minor), or N105 / IMR7625 (Open major) are rarely carried at your local Sportsman's Warehouse, so most people order the bigger jugs when buying online and stock it, so they can cut down on the hazmat charges. Edited January 8, 2012 by JasonS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 320 comes in 4lb jugs....N105 comes in 1lb jugs....Go figure.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonS Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Clays should be on that list....I'm sure that a local shop will have it. Primers.....Calipers.....A scale....Kinetic bullet puller....ammo storage boxes....Tumbler and media....chronograph... Just a quick beginners note, there are different types of "Clays" powder, and they load differently. (Universal, Plain, etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Scott Posted January 8, 2012 Author Share Posted January 8, 2012 Thanks guys, I bought the NR Topnotch kit so all the hardware is taken care of. I reloaded quite a bit in high school(class of 98), but now that I have my own place, family, ect, I have no idea where all my stuff went so I ordered up the whole shebang for a fresh start. Clays was on the list, but I knew there are different ones and don't what they are so I left it out for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 You want plain Clays.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David.Hylton Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Titegroup will work fine for minor loads for production class. During the primer shortage I used all sorts of primers and they all worked fine. I load 124 gr MGs for my Glocks. But this thread has some 147 loads. http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=140668&st=0&p=1585986&hl=147&fromsearch=1entry1585986 Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssanders224 Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 You want plain Clays.... Is Clays any good under a 125grn. Moly coated bullet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 You want plain Clays.... Is Clays any good under a 125grn. Moly coated bullet? That, I don't know...but someone here on the forum will. When I was using Clays, I was shooting a 40 in Production. 3.2 of Clays with a 180 bullet is very soft.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizer67 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I tried plain Clays in 9mm minor. Very soft but the accuracy is not there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankfan79 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Clays is not good for 9mm. Not stable enough for good accuracty with a 147. Lots of tumbling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 VV N320 would be the preferred powder but Hodgdon Titegroup would work fine. Many went to it when the VV stuff got scarce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sroe3 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Titegroup can be awfully smokey with moly. It's better for plated or jacketed. Universal Clays ok for moly. Universal might not make PF with 147, best for 125's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unregistered Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 N320 and Titegroup are close enough that the Titegroup at half the cost is what I went with. Don't use it with lead/moly though, as others have said. Only plated or jacketed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Ryder Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) 1. 2-3 reloading manuals 2. A case or 2 of Montana Gold bullets, 4 lb jug of powder, 5000 pistol primers, Federal, CCI, or Winchester. Free range brass! 3. Caliber correct shell plate and carbide dies with locking rings. 4. Dies where the seating and Taper crimp are separate. I like the Redding comp. seater and Lee full length taper crimp dies. 5. EGW U die. A resizing/decapping die available at EGW gun works. Google "EGW gun" for the web site. 6. Digital Calipers. 7. Digital powder scale from Brian Enos.com. 8. Case gauge for your caliber. I prefer the EGW 4 in 1 case gauge check. 9. Case tumbler and walnut or corn cob media and Nu Finish car polish. 10. "Hornady One Shot" spray can of case lube. 11. Several one gallon ziplock bags to store the range brass you pick up. 12. An old coffee can to put the screw up rounds in. 13. Bullet puller to recover your screw up round components. 14. Dillon primer flip tray. It is the best. 15. Competition Electronics ProChrono Digital Chronograph 16. A good notebook. 17. Case tumbler media separater pan and 1 &1/2 gallon bucket. 18. Primer pick up tubes, 2 each size 19. Several plastic ammo boxes to store your loaded rounds. 20. A STURDY reloading bench in a quiet place to spend many many hours. 21. A fellow experienced Dillon 550 reloader on speed dial! Edited January 10, 2012 by Red Ryder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fike Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 14. Dillon primer flip tray. It is the best. I'm just getting set up as well and it took me a second to figure out what the shrink wrapped discus was in my Dillon order. That thing is one serious primer flip tray! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Congrats Patrick! You reloaded previously, so you know the hobby. But, the 550 brings one potential pit fall I think you should be aware of: -while the Dillon 550 is MUCH faster than a single stage press, it is possible to double charge while taking advantage of the newfound speed. ANY press can be forced to double charge. But I prefer an auto-indexing press like the Dillon SDB, 650 or 1050 for safety's sake; I also use the Dillon powder check die. Should you use your new 550? OF COURSE! It is an awesome press. But knowing the possibility for a double charge, I would opt to add an LED light shining right on the station after the powder charge & pay attention for possible double charges. And most important of all: reload with NO distractions at all. No music, no interuptions, put the dog in the backyard while loading, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unregistered Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Keep furry pets away from you - I got charged up with static when my rabbit decided to run laps around me. Thankfully I wasn't handling anything at the time, but was organizing my bench! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad A Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 +1 on powdervalleyinc.com. it was cheaper for the n320+ the hazmat fee than it was at the local store. Received it 2 days later as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Congrats Patrick! You reloaded previously, so you know the hobby. But, the 550 brings one potential pit fall I think you should be aware of: -while the Dillon 550 is MUCH faster than a single stage press, it is possible to double charge while taking advantage of the newfound speed. ANY press can be forced to double charge. But I prefer an auto-indexing press like the Dillon SDB, 650 or 1050 for safety's sake; I also use the Dillon powder check die. Should you use your new 550? OF COURSE! It is an awesome press. But knowing the possibility for a double charge, I would opt to add an LED light shining right on the station after the powder charge & pay attention for possible double charges. And most important of all: reload with NO distractions at all. No music, no interuptions, put the dog in the backyard while loading, etc. The only way to double charge a case with the 550 is to not index it after the initial powder drop. Not indexing it means you will re-size, deprime, and prime a case that has just been re-sized, de-primed, and primed, you will also be trying to set a bullet on top of another bullet in the seat stage, and you will not hear the thunk of the round dropping into the completed cartridge bin.... The 550 is no more inherently "unsafe" than any other press, including the auto index ones, and is perhaps more safe, as it more user involved....It is much harder to load a squib with a 550 (IMO) than an auto index press. The auto index presses, you just get cranking along, especially with a bullet feeder and case feeder installed, and before you know it, you look up, and the powder hopper is empty, and you have no idea how long it has been empty. I'm not saying it's impossible to load a squib on a 550...But with all the hand moving (grabbing a bullet, grabbing a case), your eyes constantly pass back and forth across the powder measure, so you can see how much is left. Just my.02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueeyedme Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 I run N330 and 147g Bayou Bullet as my goto 9mm minor round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleshot00 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 I would look into getting some Unizersal and Bullseye. But your list looks pretty good. I use Titegroup for most of my .40 and 9mm loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Scott Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 Bullseye, I ran across a full can of that in my gun room. Got the all the hardware yesterday now I just gotta go get some powder/primer/bullet supplies. Thanks for all the replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njl Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 You want plain Clays.... The guy is apparently brand new to reloading, plans to shoot 147gr 9mm minor, and people are suggesting Clays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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