DWFAN Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 (edited) Has anyone done a direct comparison between Solo1000 and WST for Moly bullets and the below characteristics (in order of importance to me)? I'm about done with this 8lbs of Solo, thinking of switching to WST. 1. Temp Sensitivity (I dont care for how temp sensitive solo is) 2. Feel 3. Smoke 4. Lot to lot variance (solo is horrible, but between 8lb jugs, I dont have to retest that often so its not THAT important.) Edited October 21, 2011 by DWFAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark R Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Don't have a lot of experience with temp sensitivity, but both smoke very little with moly bullets. The Solo 1000 just feels a lot more softer than the WST to me. I shot WST for along time before someone turned me onto Solo 1000. I have since used up all my WST and not looked back. Solo 1000 does good in short OAL length in 40 for major Glock loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CocoBolo Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 I live in central Texas and WST works well from 40 to 113, with no load changes pf will vary by only 5 and I run 135pf for minor at 80+. It is best with Moly or Bayou bullets, for jacketed I use N320. I find it shines in 40 and 45, good in 9 mm with heavier bullets 135gr, 147gr moly or Bayou, not as good with 125gr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWFAN Posted October 21, 2011 Author Share Posted October 21, 2011 Ill be using 135 and 147 gr moly bullets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike3232 Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 I am using Solo for both 40 and 45. Smokes very little, and very soft. I was using WST and like Solo much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWFAN Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 (edited) Hmm.. not what I expected to hear.. I could have swore Powder Valley had some S1K last week, went to order yesterday and was going to just stick with Solo, but they were out of the 8lb'ers.. So I ordered 4lbs of WST. I'll get to do lots of comparison it looks like. Edited October 25, 2011 by DWFAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsmw5142 Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Probably the shortage of N320 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98006 Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 i have moved to WST for 9/40/45 to simplify powders. i have tried solo 1k. I must have gotten a slow bottle as the velocity that i got did not match up with what people were saying they got on the net with the same load. I have found that WST have very little smoke with lead or moly bullets compared to TG and BE. 4.1-4.4 wst with a 135gr moly gets me about 950 and 1000 fps. and very accurate to boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWFAN Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 I agree about the lot to lot variation on Solo, I'm .2-.4 gr above what most guys on here are using for 147gr bullets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueOvalBruin Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Every barrel is different which is why others' loads might be off in your gun. I have a limited gun that gets 171PF with 4.6gr solo under a 180gr bear creek at 1.205" OAL. My other limited gun needs 5.2gr for the same PF. Plus, if you buy an 8lb jug, it'll take a while to run through it and there will surely be plenty of chances to chrono in that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWFAN Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 This 8lb jug I'm finishing up needed .4-.6 more powder for the same PF as the 1lb bottle I used for testing. Lot to lot variances.. Gun to gun is understandable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsmw5142 Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 I went from 3.8gr with 147gr Montana Gold CMJ with my old jug of Solo 1000, to 4.5gr with the same bullet to make 132-134PF with lot #1930 which I'm working on now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind bat Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 WST smells like Christmas. It's my indoor powder. WST might be a little more accurate than S1000 in my CZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnote Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 This 8lb jug I'm finishing up needed .4-.6 more powder for the same PF as the 1lb bottle I used for testing. Lot to lot variances.. Gun to gun is understandable. x 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtremeShot Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 I don't know anything about Solo but I've used WST with my mollies for years. Works great, minimal smoke. And the best part is that it smells great! If you could bottle the smell of burnt WST, I'd wear it as cologne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom E Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Has anyone done a direct comparison between Solo1000 and WST 1. Temp Sensitivity I keep seeing references to both Solo 1000 and WST being temp sensitve. They are. But what I've seen having tested both, back to back, same day, same ammo batch, same chrono, left on the dash in the sun vs having been in my freezer overnite and taken to the range in a cooler, is only a 1% difference, cold being faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dab Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 I did some temp sensitivity testing on WST earlier this year to see how much temperature actually affected it's performance. I was afraid I'd have to bump up my load for the Texas heat. At 65 degrees, I had 171 PF. The same load at 105 degrees was 169 PF. Minimal difference. I don't notice any smoke while I'm shooting WST with moly's. It is minimal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noylj Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 My guns seem to prefer Solo 1000 over WST when it comes to making small groups in 9x19, 9x21, .38 Super, .40S&W, and .45ACP. You will need to find out how they work in your gun(s). The excellent Solo 1000 loads, though, are light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD45 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Is either better than Clays in a .45? With lead or plated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangGreg66 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Hmm, I'm trying to decide between these two at the moment for Moly 9minor/40major through glocks.... Solo's lot inconsistancy has me leaning toward WST.. but like some said, an 8lber will last a while... undecided once more, might have to just try both if I can find them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al503 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 My go to is Solo but I tried some WST based on some reports here of reduced smoke. WST smokes more than Solo (YMMV), witnessed by me behind the pistol and a bud standing behind me, and I didn't like the recoil impulse at all. It was much snappier than Solo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind bat Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 al503, that is interesting. I ran out of S1000 recently and so I switched to WST. Both loads were 5.0gr under a 124gr MG JHP @ 1.085. Both loads chrono'd at 138pf (WST was a few FPS slower). I found WST to be noticeably softer at the same PF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al503 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 (edited) al503, that is interesting. I ran out of S1000 recently and so I switched to WST. Both loads were 5.0gr under a 124gr MG JHP @ 1.085. Both loads chrono'd at 138pf (WST was a few FPS slower). I found WST to be noticeably softer at the same PF. Yeah. Its hard to describe. I was shooting both loads at exactly 134 PF. The WST felt like a small firecracker going off in your hand, which is something I haven't felt with Solo, n320, titegroup, clays, or e3. It was distracting and my bud had the same reaction to it. Both of us agreed that Solo 'felt' better in the two 2011's we were shooting. It was butt @ss cold out there so we didn't do anything on the timer, though. I'm probably going to lower the charge weight and shoot it around 125-130 PF for practice until its gone. I'm shooting Bear Creek 147 Molys at 1.18" You and I are definitely not comparing apples to apples. That may explain the difference. Edited November 22, 2011 by al503 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamG Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 al503, that is interesting. I ran out of S1000 recently and so I switched to WST. Both loads were 5.0gr under a 124gr MG JHP @ 1.085. Both loads chrono'd at 138pf (WST was a few FPS slower). I found WST to be noticeably softer at the same PF. Yeah. Its hard to describe. I was shooting both loads at exactly 134 PF. The WST felt like a small firecracker going off in your hand, which is something I haven't felt with Solo, n320, titegroup, clays, or e3. It was distracting and my bud had the same reaction to it. Both of us agreed that Solo 'felt' better in the two 2011's we were shooting. It was butt @ss cold out there so we didn't do anything on the timer, though. I'm probably going to lower the charge weight and shoot it around 125-130 PF for practice until its gone. I'm shooting Bear Creek 147 Molys at 1.18" You and I are definitely not comparing apples to apples. That may explain the difference. How many grains of Solo are using for your load? I've been using Solo for my .40 and really like it and would like to work up a load for 9 with the same 147 bearcreek molys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWFAN Posted November 22, 2011 Author Share Posted November 22, 2011 I've been anywhere from 3.4-3.8 gr solo for 147gr lead/moly. I would start at 3.2 and work up to desired PF. Remember, it gets faster as it gets cold out. So, re-chrono in the spring as it warms up, because your load will slow down. Since PV was out of Solo when I made a big order, I picked up 4lbs of WST to try. So I'll be able to do some direct comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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