kcult Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 This is quite possibly the wrong section for this, but it also doesn't necessarily focus on Glocks, either. It could apply to any brand. I began shooting matches in April of last year. I got a couple of friends hooked and it's been a blast competing with these guys. I started out with a very old Browning Hi Power. It is more of an heirloom and I decided I didn't want to beat it up, so I went shopping. I ended up with a Gen4 G17. My buddies were still shooting CZ 75s and Berettas. I was beating them every time. I didn't chalk it up to the gun, but to my "skills". Well, each one of them bought G35s. They both beat me at the last match!!!! I need a G35!!! In all seriousness though, did simply going from a CZ 75 and 92F to a G35 do the trick for them? I know my game is off a bit. I've had more mikes in the last two months than I've had in a year, but this seems off. Here's the question I'm trying to get to; With similar skills (and none of us are A or B shooters), is there any reason I couldn't be competitive with a G17 vs. their G35s? I'm really only concerned with being competitive at our local matches which are scored as raw time plus penalties straight up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joedodge Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 the gun is the gun you are the shooter with proper fundamentals and practice the g17 will be fine only disadvantage I see is depending on the division you shoot there scored major and your scored minor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skydiver Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 One of our local Production GM's has switched over to shooting Limited Minor with his production gun, but mags loaded to full capacity. He's still beating the guys shooting Limited Major with the magwells, slide lightening, 20 round mags, etc. by quite a margin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonovanM Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 One of our local Production GM's has switched over to shooting Limited Minor with his production gun, but mags loaded to full capacity. He's still beating the guys shooting Limited Major with the magwells, slide lightening, 20 round mags, etc. by quite a margin. He does use a magwell and extensions. So really he's just beating people shooting Major and with slide lightening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skydiver Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 One of our local Production GM's has switched over to shooting Limited Minor with his production gun, but mags loaded to full capacity. He's still beating the guys shooting Limited Major with the magwells, slide lightening, 20 round mags, etc. by quite a margin. He does use a magwell and extensions. So really he's just beating people shooting Major and with slide lightening. I stand corrected. Serves me right for just listening to conversations instead of actually seeing for myself. But he's still kicking ass even being scored minor! Way to go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcult Posted September 11, 2011 Author Share Posted September 11, 2011 This is why I need to stay away from forums when I'm drinking. I already know the answer and it is practice. I CC the G17 and that's why I shoot it in matches, for the practice. But, if I want to get better in the matches, I need to spend more time shooting between matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonovanM Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 One of our local Production GM's has switched over to shooting Limited Minor with his production gun, but mags loaded to full capacity. He's still beating the guys shooting Limited Major with the magwells, slide lightening, 20 round mags, etc. by quite a margin. He does use a magwell and extensions. So really he's just beating people shooting Major and with slide lightening. I stand corrected. Serves me right for just listening to conversations instead of actually seeing for myself. But he's still kicking ass even being scored minor! Way to go! Absolutely... I hope my shooting looks as casual/natural one day. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 The fastest Glock-shooting GM I know, runs a 17 in Production. Not a 34. If anything, your 17 has an advantage over the 35 due to the reduction in recoil. The slide is roughly 1/2" shorter. Negligible. But since you are all new to the sport and buying your pistols of choice, I presume you're all still shooting factory ammo. Question: You're shooting a bastard match with messed up rules. Do they still score you Major and Minor? If so, you have to shoot more accurately than your friends do in order to win. A .40 gets more credit for a hit in the C zone than a 9mm shooter. If they're even using those rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_SC Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 (edited) Are you talking about the Black Creek match? If so they don't score major or minor, it's a very small match using a simplified scoring system similar to many 3 gun matches. It's not billed as USPSA or IDPA, it's a group of friends who put on a monthly fun match for their own practice and to bring others into competitive shooting. Its great fun, I shoot it whenever I can. They divide the divisions into revolver, single stack, and limited, and last month we had our first open shooter. The scoring method emphasizes accuracy, and a couple of misses could very well drop you behind. ETA: Shoot the G17, it will work just fine. Edited September 12, 2011 by Red_SC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
427Cobra Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Get a G35, but its the Indian not the Bow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I'd compete against anybody in the World with a G17 and not feel undergunned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avezorak Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 You are at no disadvantage with a G17. I you decide to shoot Limited Divison in USPSA in the future, I would choose a G35 over a G22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miker Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I dont know about the G35 but I tried to replace my G17 with a G34, I no longer have the G34 and still have my G17. The G17 just feels better all the way around to me. I have friends that shoot the G17 in Limited minor and do very well with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leas327 Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 This is why I need to stay away from forums when I'm drinking. I already know the answer and it is practice. I CC the G17 and that's why I shoot it in matches, for the practice. But, if I want to get better in the matches, I need to spend more time shooting between matches. This I have a 35 and Flex has smoked me using a 26 in a carry rig. Wasn't even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Smith Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Shooting a properly tuned G35 with a minor load in production may give the shooter a slight edge - all other things being equal. That being said, it's usually the shooter that is the limiting factor rather than the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcult Posted September 12, 2011 Author Share Posted September 12, 2011 Are you talking about the Black Creek match? If so they don't score major or minor, it's a very small match using a simplified scoring system similar to many 3 gun matches. It's not billed as USPSA or IDPA, it's a group of friends who put on a monthly fun match for their own practice and to bring others into competitive shooting. Its great fun, I shoot it whenever I can. They divide the divisions into revolver, single stack, and limited, and last month we had our first open shooter. The scoring method emphasizes accuracy, and a couple of misses could very well drop you behind. ETA: Shoot the G17, it will work just fine. Yeah, I'm talking about Black Creek. I've fallen from Grace and I'm trying to blame everything except my lack of trigger time. I mean, my buddy is beating me with his Sigma. I can barely show my face at work! I'll keep shooting the 17 because I carry it. If I don't get any better (or keep getting worse), I'll start carrying a SBS. Ha! By the way, did you know about the classifier in NC this past weekend? I shot in it with Griff and Bobby. I thought I would have seen more of you guys there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_SC Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I didn't, but I had other obligations anyway. Most of the group were probably at MCRC in Columbia, that's where we usually shoot on the second Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 ...did ...do the trick for them? I know my game is off a bit. I've had more mikes in the last two months than I've had in a year... These questions often answer themselves if you step back and take a look. (and reading through the thread again...you seem to know that) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkballedtarget Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 You are at no disadvantage with a G17. I you decide to shoot Limited Divison in USPSA in the future, I would choose a G35 over a G22. This is good advice. However it seems you know what you need to do. Best of luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris iliff Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 Grab one and shoot it. Sounds to me more of a case of "thinking" and "caring". You probably was surprised when you came out on top of your buddies shooting. Then, it happened often and became the NORM for your psyche. Well, you can bet it wasn't the norm for them. Under no pressure to WIN (beat you), they took their little gains in skill and caught you. Just do it back to them. Practice the fundamentals and quit coasting. Ain't this sport fun!! Of course, if they are shooting major, it behooves you to also shoot major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bigphiltheshootist Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 (edited) The fastest Glock-shooting GM I know, runs a 17 in Production. Not a 34. If anything, your 17 has an advantage over the 35 due to the reduction in recoil. The slide is roughly 1/2" shorter. Negligible. But since you are all new to the sport and buying your pistols of choice, I presume you're all still shooting factory ammo. Question: You're shooting a bastard match with messed up rules. Do they still score you Major and Minor? If so, you have to shoot more accurately than your friends do in order to win. A .40 gets more credit for a hit in the C zone than a 9mm shooter. If they're even using those rules. Yep! I shoot an "Outlaw" match here near Chicago and that is exactly what happens. My last shoot was a top 6 out of 36 finish with myself and 3 others shooting minor. I not only have to shoot better but faster. Edited September 20, 2011 by bigphiltheshootist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feederic Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 I regularly get smoked with my G35 by my friend with a G22. Enough so I stopped worrying about equipment, and spend all my time worrying about stage prep. Its a glock! shoot it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigphiltheshootist Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 The fastest Glock-shooting GM I know, runs a 17 in Production. Not a 34. If anything, your 17 has an advantage over the 35 due to the reduction in recoil. The slide is roughly 1/2" shorter. Negligible. But since you are all new to the sport and buying your pistols of choice, I presume you're all still shooting factory ammo. Question: You're shooting a bastard match with messed up rules. Do they still score you Major and Minor? If so, you have to shoot more accurately than your friends do in order to win. A .40 gets more credit for a hit in the C zone than a 9mm shooter. If they're even using those rules. Ehh. I believe the preferred nomenclature is Outlaw match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conradm Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Take this with a grain of salt... I started shooting with an M&P9 and after a few matches I found my accuracy was suffering on anything past 15 yards. I decided to try out a G34 if anything for the sight radius. I can honestly say that it's much easier to hit farther targets with the 34 than it is with the M&P, and I prefer the trigger on the M&P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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