Why don't Sevigny and Vogel use a Magwell for Limited?

[beltjones]

Sevigny uses the "Sevigny Speedway" for Limited in his G35, and Vogel uses a Seattle Slug in his 24. Why don't two of the top Glock shooters use a magwell in a division where one is obviously allowed?

Is it because magwells can cause reliability issues, or because they want to keep their reloads sharp for Production? Or could it be something else entirely?

[Corey]

Dave uses the Speedway b/c its his?

Neither one really need a magwell at all tho...

[Jay870]

I'm going to guess it is related to consistency, and when you are at the level where you can consistently hit sub-second reloads without a magwell, then there is little reason to add one.

[Jesse Tischauser]

I'm going to guess it is related to consistency, and when you are at the level where you can consistently hit sub-second reloads without a magwell, then there is little reason to add one.

That would be my guess as well. I know when I practice dry fire reloads at home I use my production gun so that switching over to the Linited gun with a magwell is a piece of cake.

[beltjones]

Dave uses the Speedway b/c its his?

Neither one really need a magwell at all tho...

Chicken, meet egg. I doubt they invented the speedway and now Dave is forced to use it because it has his name on it. He could just as easily throw his name behind the magwell from SJC and use that in Limited if he so chose. However, he clearly chooses the speedway over putting a magwell on the Glock.

And yes, neither need a magwell, but neither does Blake or Travis or Manny or any number of top GMs, yet they still use one...

[spanky]

I imagine it has to do with keeping things consistent when switching between divisions and games (Lim/Prod and USPSA/IDPA).

I have a 24 on the way and I actually was considering not putting a mag well on my 24 so I don't get sloppy with my reloads when going back to Production.

[Corey]

Most of the gear we use is personal preference. They apparently don't like magwells.

[beltjones]

Most of the gear we use is personal preference. They apparently don't like magwells.

My question is, WHY don't they like magwells on their Limited / L10 guns?

"Personal preferrence" isn't really an answer. Why is that their personal preference?

[dsmw5142]

Why not ask them?

Here...

http://www.watchtv.net/~vogelshootist/ <<<<<<< here contact info is on the left side of the screen.

http://sevignyperformance.com/ <<<<<<< contact info is about half way down the page.

let us know what they say,

[Jman]

Magwells are what you use when you're learning to reload.

[lugnut]

Magwells are what you use when you're learning to reload.

Hmmm... you don't see any of the best Open guys opting out of using magwells on their 2011 guns. It's like free insurance.

[steel1212]

Magwells are what you use when you're learning to reload.

Actually magwells are there for when you miss a reload BADLY. Dryfire is there to make the reloads perfect. When you have perfect reloads like most of those guys do a magwell is only needed to enhance their grip in the end.

[joseywales]

Most of the gear we use is personal preference. They apparently don't like magwells.

My question is, WHY don't they like magwells on their Limited / L10 guns?

"Personal preferrence" isn't really an answer. Why is that their personal preference?

Years ago, I heard Dave say that he didn't use a magwell because he felt that his reloads were quick enough that he didn't feel he really needed one.

I have no idea about Bob.

Edited September 7, 2011 by joseywales

[inkballedtarget]

I agree with the above. I think the answer is in the fact of consistency between different divisons. And not relying on a piece of equipment that will hender them when found without it.

[Dan Hefta]

I love my magwell, that's why I will never shoot Production again. I will never be as good as Dave or Bob, I probably will never make it past A class so I need all the help I can get.

[CSEMARTIN]

It's no advantage for them at their level.

[beltjones]

It's no advantage for them at their level.

I know Dave uses one on both the Limited and Open divisions in Steel Challenge, so obviously there is something he likes about them (probably balance considering reloads aren't done on the clock in that sport). He also has one on his new SV open gun. So what is it about USPSA Limited and L10 that makes him not want one?

I think the answer has to be consistency between divisions.

[inkballedtarget]

It's no advantage for them at their level.

I know Dave uses one on both the Limited and Open divisions in Steel Challenge, so obviously there is something he likes about them (probably balance considering reloads aren't done on the clock in that sport). He also has one on his new SV open gun. So what is it about USPSA Limited and L10 that makes him not want one?

I think the answer has to be consistency between divisions.

Dumb question... But where does dave run his mag pouches in the other divisions? All the pictures and youtube videos limited or not he runs them like his production set up, vertical and behind the hip. I realize this doesn't matter as much for steel challenge.

But considering uspsa/idpa i think this would add another check in the consistency box.

[beltjones]

Good point. I believe he also uses the same holster regardless of division. Vogel uses a race holster, but the same production-style mag set up.

[inkballedtarget]

Oh I forgot about the holster.. Yea he runs the kytac sooper hooper..

[Duane Thomas]

I doubt they invented the speedway and now Dave is forced to use it because it has his name on it.

Thing is, Dave used the Speedway well before it had his name on it.

[DonovanM]

- Diminishing returns and all that. You can reload extremely quickly without a magwell, especially given the number of times both of these men have practiced reloading without a magwell. It probably wouldn't be any faster for them, and what, are they gonna break that habit the day or week before a match for a negligible decrease in times? I wouldn't.

- L-10/Limited Nats are in the same week as Production Nats, so there's no sense in changing gears a few days later given that the previous point is true.

- "Any number of other top GMs use them..." They use them because they have always used them and not using one would be unusual. It might be faster for them given a sloppier reload technique.

Plus, both of these guys have the talent and the sense to realize when they should leave their equipment well enough alone and just shoot. I on the other hand keep trying to scrounge the very last tenth of a millimeter out of my reset... LOL

Edited September 7, 2011 by Duane Thomas

[beltjones]

I doubt they invented the speedway and now Dave is forced to use it because it has his name on it.

Thing is, Dave used the Speedway well before it had his name on it.

Exactly. Sevigny doesn't use the speedway because it's his... I'm sure they put his name on it because he uses it (and agreed to let them use his name).

[mwx40x40]

I always figured from a marketing standpoint , it looked as if he was using a stock Glock from the casual observers view. Thus people thinking a stock Glock can run with the Custom Ltd guns. Makes for good advertising .

But , this may have nothing to do with it. Just a thought.

[Jadeslade]

magwells on glocks don't look cool. I don't use one and lots of glock shooters i know don't use one either. I think they just don't feel right on the Glock when doing your meet and greet on the grip. I have a Techwell SS and Infinity Open gun with a magwell.