Jack T

Anyone who is competing at the national level should be beyond the point of having a chronograph. There is no way to know your rifle ballistics without accurate muzzle velocities. As to the cheapest ammunition bought from the cheapest retailer not making power factor I say "not too surprising". Again if you are spending $12-1500 + to go to a major match it seems a little preparation and testing would be in order. If you don't then really the mistake is on the shooter not the rule book. No, this is not what it is/should be about. Yes, if you want to compete at the upper levels of competition you WILL have all the equipment (in time) necessary to accomplish your goals. But, it should NOT be necessary to compete. The majority of the people who currently or want to shoot in this sport will never place in the top 10 of an event, they just want to shoot and have fun. The guy without the chrono and reloading equipment took 5th place at the Nationals in Tac Optics and just won Tac Optics at Ark Multi gun against some great shooters. So how is all that high cost sh@t working out for the rest of you? Makes me wonder how many potentially world class shooters have avoided participating in the sport because of the complexity of the rules. Major Power Factor should go away. That was the attitude of shooting a "Mans" gun during the evolution of the sport. A full power .45 with enough recoil to give you tendonitis. I grew up during that era and I know the attitude. All about stopping power, blah, blah, blah. The sport has evolved past that. It is now a game of speed shooting and the power factor should reflect that. As long as you can knock down the steel, you are good to go. Keep Major PF for single stack, heavy metal, etc.

I know I am not going to endear myself to some people with this comment, I apologize, but this is the way I see it. One of the major problems with the Multi-Gun Nationals, as it has been mentioned in earlier posts, is the lack of continuity from venue to venue. The wheel gets re-invented every time. This is a leadership problem, and should never have happened, with proper leadership/oversight from the top. Love our USPSA President like the little brother I never had, but the one man who has the knowledge/experience and should be overseeing every facet of the Multi-Gun Nationals and could have established this continuity during his tenure as President, is delegating his responsibility to someone else. Multi-gun is/was a fledgling dynamic of USPSA and has not received the attention it needed to get better. The lessons learned get repeated from year to year with no resolution. Bottom line, the USPSA President needs to be completely immersed in all aspects of the Nationals as a HANDS ON Match Director from start to finish. Not delegating their responsibility, so they can shoot the match. This also creates a conflict of interest. I see this as shirking ones primary elected responsibility for their own purpose/gain/enjoyment at the detriment of the members. With the resources USPSA has at it's disposal, the US Multi-gun Nationals should be the match by which all others are judged! PS: I believe MV is the best man for the job to do this, and I support him 100% if he chooses to do so. Just gotta shake things up a bit every now and then or complacency sets in.

So you went to a National Championship match with stuff you bought at Walmart and it almost didn't make power factor. There's something wrong here, but I think it's more someone showing up for a major match with untested equipment. If someone went to the pistol nationals with ammo that didn't meet declared power factor that's on the shooter. Why should this match be different? You shot a .40, which I'm assuming you don't for IMGA. You must have known you needed to make PF right? So here's another sticking point. Who is USPSA trying to attract with MultiGun? New members from IMGA matches, or give existing USPSA members another format to shoot. If it's the former, yes we should do away with PF in the matches. If it's the latter than it makes sense to have commonality with our most popular and relevant divisions. There are a lot of folks talking about the "explosion" of 3 gun matches. Even with the dramatic increase in major matches there are likly under 1000 people nationwide competing in these big matches. I know I see a lot of the same faces at each one I go to. What's missing from 3 Gun is the local match. It's harder to get people involved for their first match when you tell them it's 1000 miles away and has a $300.00 entry fee. Develop the structure for the local matches and hopefully two things will happen. More people will participate overall and some of the pressure on major matches might dissipate. (No guarantee on the latter but I've talked to a lot of people that would be happy to shoot 6 local's rather than one major they have to fly to.) With all due respect, this is part of the problem with USPSA Major/minor. (Hypothetical) I am an experienced shooter, but new to USPSA, just bought an STI Edge in .40, (or a Glock 35). Why can't I go buy factory Winchester .40 and shoot a major match (Area/Nationals) and not have to worry about making what you guys call Major Power Factor? So what are you telling me? What do I need to do to be able to compete in this sport in Limited or Tac/Ops Division? So now I have to go buy a chrono and probably re-loading equipment to be able to play? Years ago, factory ammunition was automatically considered major PF in some of the Area Matches I had been to. Quite a few years ago, don't really know what happened as I have been in and out of the sport for over 30 years.

That's me! I agree with this point completely. However, I think Chuck is failing to realize something. If USPSA is truly trying to bring people over to USPSA 3 gun, why have maj/min?? How many USPSA pistol shooters have a 308 laying around or better yet, some wildcat cartridge??? I would say not many. How many have an AR in 223 laying around? I would say quite a few. Wouldnt no power factor attract quite a few more people?? IMGA already has classes to award hi power, its called Heavy Metal. Just my .02 ++++++1 Keep it simple. No major/minor in Multi-gun. I am a huge fan of the original time plus scoring, two hits to neutralize or one "A". I get tired of people saying it doesn't promote accuracy, which is BS. If you can shoot A's, then shoot A's, the scoring system is not going to make you a better shooter. Stage design, props, reduced distance targets, hard cover, etc, can be utilized for the degree of shot difficulty. These are not meant to be Sniper/Bulls Eye Matches. Keep it fast, practical and fun!! Jack

First USPSA National 3 Gun Match was at PASA Park, Barry IL., 1990. My first 3 Gun match. Rifle broke, DNFd the match and it has been all down hill for me ever since: Jack PS: For some reason I keep thinking it was in 1991 but I believe it was in 1990 before I retired.

I checked the scores and I didn't see your name on the list, so I guess you weren't there and that doesn't leave you a lot of room to badmouth the match. I've been to almost every big 3 gun match west of the Mississippi, some several times, and this was as good or better than any of those matches. No match is perfect and I'm just glad there are people willing to do the work so I can go out and have a good time. As for the MD at the MG Nats, MV was the co-MD with Carl Schmidt, who did the duties during the match while Voigt was shooting. Strader was MD at the MG Nats in Tulsa and Anderson was just MD at the Area 1 MG match so I'm not sure what your point is. All the people listed on the Multigun Rules committee know more than enough about 3 gun and outlaw matches to understand the changes that need to be made. We need to give them a chance to do the work that needs to be done so that USPSA Multigun can continue to grow. FREE OPEN NOW! Doug Doug, Never thought I would see the day I would be defending a lawyer, but what the hell!! Charles is one of the good guys, he was the Area 6 Director for many years and responsible along with Cindy and Bill Noyes for putting on some of the best Area 6 Multi-gun events ever held (The guys in Aniston also!!) He has an excellent grasp of how the BOD works and it's shortcomings. On another note, I am all healed up feeling great and ready to win that $100.00 back!!!!!!!! Jack

That entire stage is gonn be tough!!! Off hand 10" flashers at 300 are just as hard especially since it's Virginia Count. I hope someone shoots this stage in to see how it goes. Will we need chamber flags for the long guns? No, not Virgina Count, but fixed time. Hose it!!!!! Looking forward to this match, always fun and good people!!

Nothing personal here, but your comments mirror many peoples thoughts and attitude towards USPSA Multi-gun. This is why the matches have not gotten better. If you pay $255.00, plus travel expenses, motel, ammunition, etc., you have quite an investment in a competition. Why expect and accept mediocrity from those responsible for putting on the match? The match staff has a responsibility, once they accept a mans money to put on an exceptional event/match. Just because the staff and ROs worked hard does not make it OK. That many re-shoots and DQs is a blatant failure of all those responsible for putting on this National Level event and the rules by which they abide. Again, it is not how hard the staff worked, it ain't about them; it's about putting on a quality event for the shooters. Remember them? That's what it is about, it's about the SHOOTERS!!! This BS from (some of) the ROs, we bust our butts, you should be happy with what you get is upside down. Seem to have forgotten what the sport is about. Needs to be reevaluated and revised. Jack

USPSA has not done very well with the "Multi-gun" format at the Nationals since the first attempt at Reno. Not a jab at USPSA, just the way it has been. Probably need to go back to the single gun/stage format (3-Gun). Too many dynamics to plan for at the upper level of Multi-gun competition without a dedicated staff. Really takes some dedicated/knowledgeable 3 gunners to put on this level of a match. The Area Multi-gun matches are better than most nationals have been. Personally, I would rather shoot stages which are set up specifically for each gun, transitioning with multiple guns doesn't really excite me since they are so watered down and not very practical. Easier to design a quality stage within the limits of most ranges used by USPSA. Let the independent promoters (Outlaw Matches) handle the Multi-gun format as they generally have ranges which are more open and capable of these events and the personnel to run the match. Shot some really good USPSA 3-Gun Nationals when they were up at Barry quite a few years ago.

That site shows the match on. At http://www.cbshooters.com/ when I click on Major Matches, it shows Carbine Match Cancelled. I am no whiz at web sites, but which one is it? Jack

I just went on the match website and it shows the match cancelled. Is this correct?

That is his 9mm "Steel Gun". Jack

Did you immediately transition to your pistol after the failure of your rifle?

I have been using Cerakote (Oven Cure) for the last two years with over 100 applications to shotguns and pistols and it is an excellent coating. I have found that not every color has the same durability, some have the same wear resistance as Durakote, which isn't very good. Graphite Black, Sniper Grey, Smith & Wesson Red and Stainless Steel have excellent wear resistance and these are my primary colors. I am sure there are many more which are durable, I just haven't had the need to use them or try them yet. I have not had good luck with some of the desert and OD Green Colors. Jack Travers JT Engineering

Yeah, put it all the way in the barrel!!

+1 I had Forrester set up/hone my FLS .308 die(s) without the bushing. One die for each chamber (Gas/Bolt)and it gives very consistent neck tension without overworking the brass. One week turn around. I only use Lapua brass to keep life simple.

Outstanding match! Great stages with lots of Run "N" Gun Shooting. The Range Staff and especially the RO's deserve a special thank you for their hard work; it was/is freakin HOT!! I barely made it through the heat shooting all 12 stages on Friday and I ain't gonna lie, it kicked my butt. Couldn't imagine two more days out there. Squad 10 was a great bunch of guys. Enjoyed shooting with old friends and meeting new!! Thanks all!! Jack

If a man thinks an after market product for his rifle makes him a better, more accurate shooter, then that is all that matters.

Muzzle up muzzle down, doesn't matter as long as the weapon/muzzle is controlled, weapon safed. People need to be muzzle conscious, but you will never fix stupid. If not slung, I see just as many muzzle down carried long guns pointing out at a 45 degree angle(groin/stomach area) because the stock is tucked under the armpit. NEVER start a stage with muzzle up, or what some stage descriptions may inadvertently call "Port Arms" when what they want is a "high ready" start. Big difference between the two. Military guys/gals know what I mean. Stick with "Low Ready" starts. Jack

Not enough air flow through the hand guard to make it feasible to start with. Is there a fan that goes with it maybe?

This was truly a world class match and one which all others could be judged by. Professional in every aspect, from the personnel, to the props. Excellent balance on stage design, as every stage was a challenge and fun for both new shooters and pros alike. Need to make a sacrifice to the weather/wind gods next time. It was brutal on Friday!!! Thanks to everyone concerned, congratulations for a job well done and thank you so much for your hard work!! Jack

It is also the internal stock adapter. Jack

No, you have to mail it in within 7 days.

Never mind!!

I am currently building guns for ATF Agents and they see nothing in the wind. ATF did a study, starting a few months ago, checking with various shooting organizations about the use of the shotgun within the various disciplines, USPSA included. It received excellent support. What will probably be targeted is the MD 20 round drum magazine, as it has no SPORTING use as determined by ATF. ATF just approved more magazine/box fed magazines for import into the US and it looks like box fed Chinese NORINCO shotguns will be approved for import. Money talks, and this is just another deal with the Chinese. Jack