George D

Polycarbonate is the way to go. Have a look at the Decot site at this liink: http://www.sportglasses.com/

For 45acp lead loads I had the same experience as Chuck D. I also used it for lead loads in 38 and 44 revolver.

I agree with Carmoney. I had a model 29C and a model 629C that both shot high with 240gr lead projectiles. I changed to 200gr and maintained the PF by increasing the velocity. This had the effect of lowering the point of impact because the bullet exits the barrel sooner and the muzzle doesn't rise as far before that exit is acheived.

Not me. I like Fosters; I like Crown Lager and the India Pale Ale produced by the Malt Shovel Brewery even better. But my favourite is the Czech Pilsener Urquell.

Works the same in Australia too!!

"God invented Chevys so idiots wouldn't have to drive Fords". (Aussie to US translation)

Irishlad, Yes, Australia has done well in the Olympics with Michael Diamond and Russell Mark. I've just returned from the Australian Beretta distributor after having been fitted for a shotgun by their gunsmith, who happens to be the gunsmith for the Australian Olympic team. After trying several guns I found a high rib monte carlo stock 32" barrel gun that required only a minor change in pitch to fit me perfectly. Despite the longer barrel and extra weight the balance made it feel "alive" compared to the other guns. Apparently this is the same gun that Russell Mark is now using. Thanks again for your advice. George

Fertilize the wilderness, doze in a greenie.

I agree with Chuck D. 200gr SWC and WST powder produces a clean soft load.

Thanks for the comments Irishlad. I'm still a little unclear on the term "POI of 60/40". Does this mean that, on a pattern board, 60% of pellets are above and 40% of pellets are below the point of aim? In Australia Beretta markets flat rib guns with adjustable international stocks for trap, skeet and sporting and hi-rib guns with adjustable monte carlo stocks for trap only. The flat rib skeet and sporting and the hi-rib trap have interchangeable chokes, the low rib trap has fixed.

Thanks for the advice guys. I knew that a trap gun is designed to shoot high but thought that this was acheived by a higher stock and thus could be duplicated by having an adjustable stock that could be raised for trap and lowered for clays. I live in rural Australia and our local clays range is a field and game layout in dense bushland (about 1/3 of the targets hit trees before thay can be shot). I went for a look-see 2 weeks ago and had a great deal of difficulty seeing the clays as they emerge from dense bush and have a background of dark green gum trees in substantial shadow. Even the seasoned clay shooters with old eyes were having trouble picking up the targets. It is certainly harder than trap but I wonder if it may be too hard for someone with aging eyesight such as myself. I was hoping to build some skills at the trap range, where I can see the target, and then try the field and game with the same gun. If I were to go straight to the field and game I may end up with a gun designed to shoot targets that I find I can't see. Tightloop, I noticed in one of your posts on another thread you said "you can only shoot trap with a trap gun, as they usually pattern 65/35 or higher so the trap shooter can watch the bird break." I wasn't sure if you were refering to the full/IM chokes. Could you elaborate on that please.

This is one of my favourites too, only I thought it was attributed to Dean Martin. I like a couple of other of Dean's observations: " You're not drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on." and " When I read about the evils of drinking I gave up reading."

My wife and I had a similar experience in Australia with the handgun confiscations implemented by John Howard. We had spent over ten years pursuing this sport together and we had a sense of numbness at the loss. It appears that politicians are un-able to discern the difference between gun crime and gun sport, and cannot empathise with the loss to dedicated sports-people of an important part of their lives. My wife has lost heart in taking up any other shooting sport but I'm contemplating returning to Trap shooting. My only reservation is the rumour that all shooting sports may be removed from the Olympic program afetr Athens.

Several of my friends who shoot rimfire benchrest rifle assure me that when they clean their barrels they need 100 rounds before the rifle returns to optimum accuracy. I've always thought this claim to be on the border of believeability but they are very adamant in their insistence.

I'm returning to Trap shooting after a 10 year break. I only spent about a year at Trap before I took up pistols and traded my shotgun for a selection of handguns. I owned a Beretta 682 U/O then and am looking to buy another U/O, probably a Beretta 682 Gold E ( In Australia auto-loader shotguns are just one of the long list of banned guns). With the availability of adjustable stocks and interchangeable chokes, can one U/O successfully cover Trap and Sporting Clays? Thanks for any help.

Had you not expressed a preference against rubber I would have suggested Pachmayer Gripper Decelerator grips. I have found they are excellent in reducing the Ouch factor. Uncle Mikes make fingerless shooting gloves with a gel pad in the web which may be another solution.

I had the same experience of tranquilty after reading Shogun.

Bill, Have a look at this site http://www.sportglasses.com/content/products_lenscolors.asp It has an animation to assist in colour selection for different purposes (takes a little while to load). It also has colour recommendations at http://www.sportglasses.com/content/produc...mmendations.asp George

I watched the movie last night and, whilst I enjoyed it, I would rate it behind Shogun. Another favourite East-West clash movie is "The Red Sun" which starred Charles Bronson and Toshiro Mifune (not to mention Ursula Andress).

Like Bountyhunter I use an old hammer handle to tap the side of the grip frame about half-way down. Boom-Boom is right about the small parts in the new Smiths.

Patrick, Congrats on acheiving stardom. Underlug, the prejudice against revolvers is strong in Australia as well. I take a ribbing every week until the match is finished and the scores tallied. I enjoyed the sarcasm in your use of "graduate".

I have always used the Miculek method because it has both hands working. I can see an advantage to keeping the strong hand grip in place so I might experiment with that technique as well. Why not try both and settle on which ever feels comfortable for you.

I'll add another vote for staying with your dominant eye. I find that canting the gun slightly also helps.

I have no experience with 40 cal but I have loaded heaps of 38, 44 and 45 cal with both 231 and WST and I would lodge a second vote for WST. I find it meters better than 231 and is cleaner and softer.

I'll add another vote for Winchester Super Target (WST). Clean and soft.