broadside72

If I punch you in the face with a left jab and then a right hook, I hit you twice, but if I punch you in the face with two right jabs, I only hit you once? Is that what you are saying?

^^This. Can't shoot same division, but can shoot same equipment and select a different division that the equipment complies with It's on the RO/ARO to make sure the correct division is used first every stage, especially when the squad rotation puts the second entry before the first entry.

Wow. I just replaced the a bunch of the main cam block and related parts and I added the new cam block bracket that keeps the cam block from moving so much. Now I am having an issue with the pivot block rocking. I have to call Hornady again. Not sure if there is a better case feeder that works with the LnL AP that is not 3D printed and require me to turn/rotate case tubes.

What new design? What changed?

I just dealt with this. Build Stages > Add Stage > set name, target counts, etc as usual > Check "Classifier Stage" and enter the classifier code as 20-01, 20-02 or 20-03. No "CM" or anything else. Uploaded to USPSA fine.

Fine, ignore the colloquialism as a metaphor for squibs not being a super rare thing. They happen. They can happen to anyone and can happen with factory new, factory reman and your own reloads. That is all I was getting at.

Not trolling, but it is fun thinking out of the box. You guys all lack problem solving skills. And apparently I need to stop letting people shoot matches when the have a single squib because apparently that means you have unsafe ammo. And when you come back to the next match, I shouldn't let you shoot then unless you can prove to me that you have fresh ammo? I never said that squib after squib after squib is not unsafe ammo and should not be dealt with. I didn't raise that rule completely out of context of this thread.

Even factory ammo has the occasional issue. Just like DQ's, its not a matter of if, but when, it happens to you Anything is better than a zero on a stage, especially if you are trying to maintain overall match position at a major. The rulebook does not say that is not a firearm but it does not say that it is not either. However Troy taught my RO class and he said, once the gun is disassembled its no longer a firearm so the muzzle/sweeping rules when at a safe table don't apply because its not a gun at that point. Would you have a concern if I had a just a barrel in hand walking around the range at a match, maybe one I just bought from someone or a conversion barrel I keep in my bag, etc? It doesn't change what is allowed, hence why I was suggesting a change that would allow clearing of a squib in a safe fashion.

If it happens a lot, I agree that its an ammo issue that needs to be resolved. But if finishing a stage, even with a crappy time, is enough to win/place at a major, then why shouldn't someone be able to resolve an issue with a squib if it can be done without muzzling yourself with an assembled firearm?

You obviously lack imagination. I'll let you figure it out

he either dropped a loaded gun and was thus in the CoF so he's DQ'd, or he dropped a loaded gun that was not supposed to be loaded and he is DQ'd for that.

They are the ones I like to ask to show clear and then we go through the whole process again, at my s l o w p a c e

As a target focused shooter I find unpatched targets highly distracting and they almost always impact my performance on that stage. I get not getting stopped when its one target that isn't patched, but once you get to 3 or 4 or more that are not done, I think it should be a valid reason for the RO to stop the shooter and give a reshoot. But there is no rule to support that, unless the RO just says stop and its an interference call. But then the RM/MD should be getting involved, etc.

Our steel challenge matches just dropped from all 8 stages to 5 per match due to shooter request.

A hurried ULSC keeps me from making a stupid mistake and trying to for that make up I just noticed 5-10 seconds after I was done shooting, making my HF lower than it would have been had I left the mike or delta.

To be clear, I am only talking about loaded per glossary definition and the WSB saying that it's a loaded start. Empty chamber and magwell without rounds in it is the situation I am concerned with here and if it's coaching or a valid condition to start the shooter. The starting paragraph of 8.1 only references loaded chamber. Of course this is easily rectified if they just change that bit from "fails to load the chamber" to "fails to load the firearm" then this all goes away and the contradictions disappear

Though I will admit that 8.1.1 and 8.1.2 reference loaded chamber, but most WSB's say "handgun loaded and holstered" and that is the condition that must be met by definition. So once again the rulebook is contradictory. Can't start until the firearm is in the ready condition but the ready condition (if called out as meeting 8.1.1/8.1.2) requires loaded chamber, though we can't require that condition to be met. 8.1.3 lets the WSB state whatever we want and that is usually just "loaded and holstered" or "loaded, safety applied, stock on belt" for example. So then you go by the definition of loaded firearm.

And that article directly contradicts itself. It says the rules states "fails to load the chamber when permitted". It does NOT say anything about failing to the load the gun, which is satisfied by simply inserting a loaded magazine into the firearm, chambered round or not. So I stand by my reading of the actual words in the rulebook. Empty chamber and no loaded mag in gun, then you can't start them on a loaded start. If they insert a mag and don't chamber a round, then start away.

8.1 Firearm Ready Conditions The ready condition for firearms will normally be as stated below. However, in the event that a competitor fails to load the chamber when permitted by the written stage briefing, whether inadvertently or intentionally, the Range Officer must not take any action, as the competitor is always responsible for the handling of the firearm. This says otherwise. It does not say fails to load the firearm but specifically fails to chamber a round. Since a loaded gun includes having a loaded mag in the gun, chambered round or not, the gun is not in the firearm ready condition when a loaded start is required if the gun is unloaded (nothing chambered and nothing in the magwell). The shooter should not be started until the starting position AND firearm ready condition is met.

I only used one example of a loaded firearm definition "Loaded firearm: A firearm having a live round, empty case or dummy round in the chamber or cylinder or having a live or dummy round in a magazine inserted in the firearm." and my comment was in the context of the post I quoted that was implying it was wrong/coaching of the RO to wait for the shooter to load his gun because he didn't have a mag inserted. I was assuming that in the situation being described in the quoted post was one where a barney round had not been used and the gun was unloaded by definition.

Actually this is required since the firearm is not the correct ready condition so you can't be started. If the firearm ready condition is loaded start then you aren't loaded if no mag is in the gun. Remember a loaded gun includes a mag with ammo in the gun, does not have to be chambered in that case. The RO can only ignore you failing to chamber a round.

https://nroi.org/ufaqs/can-i-use-a-magnet-in-production/

I'd like the option to be able to clear a squib and continue on. If I can unload and strip the slide and knock the bullet out quickly then reassemble within 2 minutes, I should be able to. Just like any other malfunction. If the slide off the frame make it "not a firearm" at the safe table, then its not a firearm during the CoF so there is no unsafe gun handling and 5.7.2.1 shouldn't apply Because a low HF with the terrible time is still better than 0.0 HF if the squib doesn't happen near the end of the run

I say legal as long as the frame is not modified in a way that would make it illegal if you bought a regular A01-LD and did work to it. The box from CZC will say A01-LD and have the CZ USA sticker with matching serial number, so it started life as an A01-LD and was modified within the rules. You can mill for sights, add mag release, hammer and other internals. I have the same issue with my Bull Shadow 2, but the box from CZ USA says it's a Shadow 2, so does the frame and the 4473 says the same. All modifications are otherwise within the rules. My feeling is, if you can buy the base gun and send it to the shop to be worked on and get the identical result and that be legal, then buying it direct from them should be legal.

Shoot pistol, otherwise you are Pretty Clearly Cheating