Dutycalls75

Well with everyone offering how they would modify USPSA’s current divisions. Below is my thought: Today USPSA has eight divisions: Open, Limited, Limited 10, Production, Carry Optics, Single Stack, Revolver, and PCC As an overview, USPSA has reached this current list of divisions through a slow process of modify and spilt divisions over time. In essence though USPSA has held to a basic tiered system for divisions, which has then been supplemented with additional unique division me the desires of shooters. The basic tier divisions are: Unmodified firearms (Production) Modified Firearms (Limited) No holds bar (Open) This tiered system is fairly simple and straightforward. Over time though, technology, refinement in skill, and rule changes have morphed the overall landscape of USPSA divisions. Because of these evolutions, old methods of dividing equipment in my opinion no longer apply. The issue that has arisen is that the with number of divisions currently in use, the divisions have little meaningful difference between them. For example, a Limited 10 gun is no different than a limited gun other than capacity change. Tuned production guns are not much different from Limited guns. Similar to NASCAR still using “stock cars” on the outside and everything under the plastic shell being a purpose built race car. At almost all levels of competition, shooters are using purpose built firearms for competing. In my opinion, two major factors influence performance in practical pistol shooting, powerfactor and the type of sighting system. Everything beyond this is fine nuance. For example what is the actual difference in stage performance when using a DA/SA gun or a SAO gun with safeties, with all other variables equalized. Because of this, if I were king for a day, I would propose a division breakdown which accounts for the two main factors associated with performance. My basic system includes: 4 Core Divisions and then 3 Specialty Divisions Core divisions would be required to be provided at every match standard sanctioned match. It would be a match directors discretion whether to include Specialty divisions at level 1 matches, but it would be highly encouraged to do so. In addition, USPSA leadership would have the authority to sanction Specialty Division specific level 2 or level 3 matches. The Specialty divisions are the divisions that are unique in USPSA because they focus on a particular operating system, firearm or firearm type. Specialty divisions would also be allowed to have unique rule sets. I would limit the number of recognized specialty divisions to 3 for any particular year for higher level matches but this is a finer point which I am still back and forth on. By creating specialty divisions USPSA could include more firearms in its competitions while not affecting the Core divisions. In additional nationals would be structured to have a single Nationals for the Core divisions and then additional National level events can be held for the specialty divisions at Boards discretion. The initial specialty divisions would be: Single Stack Revolver PCC Others could then be added like a compact carry division. The Core Divisions or groups would follow the following setup for semi auto pistols. As a note I do not include names for these divisions as discussions on this topic when including names always seems to generate unneeded angst. The previous responses in this thread I believe illustrate this point. (After thinking about it, I prefer keeping the names as single letters and referring to them as Group A or Group B, similar to the auto racing industry. I think today a division’s name helps perpetuate limited discussion and constrains a division to match its namesake. Not to mention everyone debates about what it means to be “production” etc.) The basic premise is that of the four divisions each division or group is similar to the divisions, which are adjacent to it and different to the ones across from it. Optical Iron Major (40 cal min.) A B Minor C D Mag Length Maximum: 171.25mm Group A; 141.25mm Group C and B; 131.25mm Group D Some additional notes, magwells would be legal for all 4 Core divisions. This is important because it would allow the consolidation of current limited 10. In all honesty the difference between a Limited gun and tuned production gun is minimal, and for this reason many people refer to production as limited lite. This overall system would allow production guns to be customized or modified to the extent limited guns are but outside of aesthetics, what performance measures can a limited gun use that are not available for current production guns? This change would also get rid of the production list need. (I am aware of the question what would be do with “gas pedals” or thumb rests. Simple answer is they would only be allowed for major scoring divisions) An outlying consideration, which I have yet to come to an adequate conclusion on, is compensators. I have considered allowing all major divisions (A and B have them but I have also considered lumping them in with optics i.e (B and D). My initial thought is to use the latter choice, as it would only affect current carry optics shooters and would affect them minimally in my opinion. Many of the tactical shooters, which should be attracted by carry optics already in all likelihood, have a threaded barrel, so affixing a compensator should be a simple affair. In regards to finer details divisions A and B would have similar holster rules and divisions C and D would likewise have identical holster rules. Specialty divisions would be able to use either major or minor holster rules or if really need be adopt specific holster rules for that divisions (though I think they should stick with one of the holster rules from the core divisions.) My system of divisions has the following goals: Simplified ruleset that better accounts for actual differences in equipment that affect performance Streamlined system that is simpler to understand and to explain. Divisions A and B are identical except for one allows optics and compensators as well has a higher mag capacity the other does not. Division A and C are identical except one uses major scoring (including gas pedals) and the other uses minor scoring in addition to magazine limit differences. Inclusion of Specialty divisions allow “favorite divisions” to remain in the sport Simplified rules should improve the administration of level 2 and above matches

I would guess not in the near future. CZ seems to be focusing on the IPSC market more than USPSA, especially with the release of the Shadow 2.

You have several questions. Regarding whether a P09 can be milled to accept a dot and still maintain a rear sight dovetail I am unqualified to answer. I do know that the issue arises with the P09 is the firing pin block and the length of the red dot when considering maintaining a rear sight. I believe the RMR is one of the few dots that can be used with back up rear sights due to its short length. Back up iron sights (BUIS) on a red dot handgun equipped handgun is typically a "duty" setup. For the BUIS to work it requires that they partially obscure the view of the lense for the red dot. For competition the typical setup is no iron sights at all (front or rear) to ensure that the view is uncluttered.

I went with the shotmaxx. Things I like about it: Small form factor, I wear it when I'm at the range and it doesn't bother me in the least It has a rechargeable battery. I put it on before leaving the house, so if it's low I plug it into the car to charge while I drive and it's good to go. Stealth mode allows me to track performance for a match...if I can remember to activate before I start a stage.

Any word if the magazine release will be interchangeable?

+1 for this option. Lok Grips posted this last year on their Facebook. If I used a magwell this is what I would go with but I shoot production so it's not an option for me.

My vote goes to Lok Palm Swells. I have considered the new 2.0 scales but the Lok grips are local to me in Michigan and feel great, so given that I like to support MI companies, it's been an easy decision for me.

Interesting, a division I can use my Accu shadow with a magwell in. May have to try some IDPA again.

CZUSA did list the Accu-Shadow and Shadow Target in their catalog for a period of time. I believe though it was part of an effort to get both guns classified for IDPA SSP division and IPSC Production division. The effort was not successful. CZ's as you note do have good ergonomics.

Accu-Shadows have not been discountinued to my knowledge, they are still on CZCustoms website. If your thought process is that their always out of stock it's because they are so popular that most of the time you must have one built. Some might say that the Shadow 2 is the successor to the Accu-shadow but I believe that the Shadow 2 will come in two forms, a standard version and one equipped with an Accu-style bushing. Then there's the bull barrel Shadow, which could be king of them all....overall though I doubt CZCustom is going to stop making Accu-Shadows any time soon.

So 140 mm mags for carry optics. Do we get magwells too?

There is also the CZCustom magwell, which is my personal favorite of the bunch and what I would go with if I needed one. I shoot production though and have not used any of them personally. It can be found: Here

I'm in Michigan so we have hot humid weather too. I've found that the biggest mistake people make is not drinking enough water and wearing cotton. On a hot day you should drink water even if your not thirsty. If you wait till your thirsty your all ready behind the eight ball. Cotton plus sweat= uncomfortable. Modern moisture wicking fabrics help let sweat evaporate out of your clothing, which lets you continue to sweat and allow that bodily function to serve its purpose of keeping you cool.

Looking forward to this.

I had the same question a few months ago. The general consensus was the ls-p was softer shooting than the SP01 Accu-Shadow due to the longer barrel. But Accu is more accurate as the Ls-p doesn't have the Accu bushing. As noted the top shooters are still using the SP01 Accu. In the end I went with the SP01 Accu and have been very happy with it. First match with it will be tomorrow.

I've been watching match videos on YouTube and saw these "mines" in the Ohio match. Interesting that they were more complicated than just setting them on the ground. I think it great to see this type of creativity in matches, especially as everyone has said nothing that prohibits it in the rules.

For minor loads I use a 11lb (75 series) spring from CGW in my P09. As a note you have to get the stainless steel guide for but I thought it was completely worth it for the additional mass and the freedom to use 75 series springs which I already had on hand. The other option I considered at the time was a wolf 11lb flat spring for a full size glock. There are several individuals on here and CZFirearms.us who have used this setup successfully. In regard to P09 vs 75B. I had a 75B and sold it off to buy the P09 and I have been very happy with that decision. I use my P09 for completion and I think it's one of the best entry guns for USPSA and has a lot of versatility given the amount of aftermarket parts available.I think overall though it's mostly personal preference polymer v steel, FLDC v short dc, omega v traditional trigger.

Accu-Shadow Lite with the jet funnel magwell.

Awesome collection there. The CZP09 with the blue grip tape is pretty awesome.

I definitly agree the P09 is a great limited starter gun. I would consider a single action trigger. I'm curious how everything would work given how the omega system has everything in line. IMHO if I was going to setup a P09 for limited then I would want a modified sear that doesn't need the FP lifter more than a trigger with a pre and post travel screw.

Yes just have a 9mm barrel fitted and then get some 9mm magazines and you should be good to go. I know some people have to adjust the extractor but I've also seen people who said that no tuning necessary.

To my knowledge, no the TS cannot be shot in IDPA. Being SAO disqualifies it from SSP and the full length dust cover disqualifies it from ESP. CDP is 45ACP only, and the TS is way to big for the concealed carry division. If you wanted to you can have the full length dust cover shortened like CZCustom does and then it would qualify for ESP, to my knowledge. Back to the OP, I would go with the CZSP01 Accu-Shadow BLK.

+ 1 for this. If I needed to resurface my mags this is what I would do.

Like nmbpman said flat surface and a place for the pin to go. I used a small 4"x4"X0.5" board with a small pilot hole drilled for the pin to fall into. A few sturdy strikes with a hammer on a quality punch should get it out. Definitly a good idea to use the CGW hammer strut pins, they make it easy to dissemble later if need be.

I normally email Stuart directly and he responds within 2 days, but typically its within 24 hours. I would just keep checking in, their super busy with all the great stuff they've been putting out for the last several years.