Blackstone45

If you're moving that much with a two handed grip, you may be gripping too hard, or your stance is suboptimal. That aside, it may be you have unrealistic expectations for how much movement there should be.

Of course you can still have a group. It just sounds like a big group. Put a target up at 33 yards, fire 10 shots at it. Aim at the same place on the target for all 10 shots, shoot them in the same way, and don't look at the target until the end. Congratulations, you have now shot a group. How big is the spread?

What kind of movement is it? Is it like random twitches or shaking? Or just natural movement around the point of aim? Natural movement is inevitable as you are a living breathing human being on two feet. But with that kind of movement, the sights tend to stay aligned, and you end up just drifting around the 9 ring. So any shots should all fall within the 9 ring. The problems come when it's a shaking or twitching movement as that does take the sights out of alignment. And that translates to a bad shot downrange. A common mistake is that the shooter becomes far too fixated on aiming at the dead centre of the target and trying to fight the natural movement of the gun, that they lose focus on their sight alignment. So when the shot breaks, they think their front post was in the middle, but it ends up being a hit in the 6-ring. What is your group size at 33 yards?

Jack is correct. The whole point of red dots is that you don't have to align sights. The shot will go wherever the dot appears, no matter what position your head is at. Otherwise there wouldn't be much point using red dots over iron sights. Just take a red dot, aim it at a target, then move your head slightly. The dot will also move but will always stay on target. This is why you shoot a red dot with target focus instead of front sight focus. The point of front sight focus is to make sure the sights are aligned. You don't need to align a red dot.

I'm left-handed but right eye dominant, and I just learned to shoot with my right hand.

There's no magic bullet, just lots of deliberate dryfire. Stance and grip etc.. will help you manage the recoil more, but none of that matters if you're throwing shots due to bad trigger pull.

As in rotating your right hand slightly anticlockwise?

Is the following expectation realistic: that you align the sights, close your eyes, fire, and when you open your eyes, the sights should have come back down aligned on their own?

If your gun can't shoot an 8" group at 30 yards, you need to put some sights on it. Sight alignment and trigger pull are the most important. As another poster has already said, if it's slowfire precision, then that's all you need. Then find a comfortable stance and grip that minimises any of the natural movement you will have as a living breathing human being.

Will try that, thanks

That's an interesting difference between USPSA and IPSC, that you're allowed to take a sight picture and dry fire before the start signal.

Thanks for the responses, makes sense!

Got swept (with a loaded gun) by a gentleman doing the 180 turn and draw. Of course he drew then turned.

Possible stupid question incoming: If I know I'll be doing a lot of dryfiring and no live fire for a decent length of time, would it make sense to remove the firing pin in order to prolong its life?

Interestingly, I find that when I grip really tightly with my weak (left) hand, it pulls my shots left. I think the heel of my support hand pushes right on the grip, which causes the muzzle to point towards the left. This is obviously a symptom of having too much lateral pressure. Haven't had the chance to go shooting since I started working on a new front-to-back C-clamp grip based on Hwansik's PSTG video and his interview on the Firearms Nation podcase.

Had a chance to handle and shoot the Phoenix Redback in Switzerland. The full steel Redback is a heavy gun, but has a beautifully crisp single action trigger, and a very smooth double action trigger.

Yes, one of the big takeaways from Hwansik's recoil video

I have Stoeger's 2014 Dry Fire book, would you recommend getting Dry Fire reloaded (2017)?

I'm pretty young (still in my 20s) but with terrible eyesight. I shoot a lot of precision at 25m and 50m where there's little leeway with your use of sights. Getting a good front sight focus seems to be very dependent on lighting conditions for me.

Rob's video title was a great piece of clickbait

I get this too with my support hand (left hand) sometimes pulling my sights left when I'm gripping particularly hard. I think it may be caused by you gripping TOO hard, relative to your maximum grip strength.

I've tried that before, but when I rotate my elbows out, it feels like it pulls a bit of my hand away from the grip. Yeah, but finding it hard to figure out exactly what he's saying. I think I need an even better visual description, or someone physically fixing my grip. No access to professional training, on account of my location. I've been pretty much self taught from the beginning.

Well, tried a few different grips today, still couldn't find one that the sights come back to alignment naturally. I don't know if I'm still doing something wrong, or if I have unrealistic expectations

Trying it, and it tires out my support hand upper arm pretty quickly. Not sure if I'm doing it right until I do some live fire at the range...

So try and press the palms together as if the pistol grip isn't there?