Carlos

Don't feel bad Chills - you followed a book load that you found in 2 different books (that is more caution than most reloaders use) & though its always good to work up, it looks like no harm done. You wrote: "What is a better combination to meet or barely exceed the 125 Power Floor for 9mm, heavier bullet putt putting along or a lighter bullet zipping along with respect to recoil, muzzle flip, getting sights back on target?" Most of the general population of shooters in USPSA prefer 147s; at one time Sevigny used Triton 135 grn loading (Zero bullets maybe) though I am not sure what he uses now. Will be interesting to see the Nationals survey results but safe to say that 147s a re great for Production. You have a good bullet & N330 is great for use in 9mm - particularly with Lead bullets as it burns cooler than say, Titegroup, & therefore should produce a little less smoke. Just back the charge down until you get to 875 to 900 FPS. D.

Another advantage of the SA or factory single action 75s is that they come with a wider, competition style, ambidextrous safeties for those weak hand only stages. THe regular 75B can be converted to SA, as can the 97B, but the conversions I have done did not yeild as fine a trigger as a factory SA gun; the parts are not identical. Conversion simply involves installing a new trigger in a 75B.

"I noticed the major difference seems to be the rear sight ..adj. vs fixed.. any other changes..." Correct. I beleive one of the dimensions at the front of either the dust cover or slide was altered so that the slides/frames are not interchangeable, but most other parts should interchange between Standard IPSC and TS. Magazine capacity & sights are the big changes. "how heavy is the gun as compared to like an STI Edge???" Believe its on the order of 43 Oz (it is heavy, but comparable to S_I). I find that it soaks up recoil quite effectively. D.C. Johnson

Here is a picture of one of the guns we are talking about (a Standard IPSC with Robin Taylor's mag extension installed) I have since added grip tape over a set of modified CZ-75 grips and a Sprinco. The new TS is almost the same gun with a fixed sight & 18 round factory mag.

" I have thought about trying to get a gunsmith to make me one [extended safety]". Thought about it too - turns out that the best bet might be to modify a Springfield Armory P9/ tanfoglio extended safety from EAA. These use a different detent system than CZ & I have not verified the dimensions of CZ v. Tanfoglio; I know that some other dim.s are different (trigger pin, extractor pin, etc.) but I think there is potential. "Where I can I get Hi-Cap mags? I bought a CZ IPSC Standard and it came with 3 Hi-Cap mags and 3 10 round Mags. But I would like to get at least two more mags. Let me know. Thanks." I last bought tubes for $32 direct from CZ-USA. They should have the 18 rounders for $45 complete - though without the 140 basepads (I would suspect that the new box-rule 18s would easily hold 20 with a 140mm basepad). www.cz-usa.com D.C. Johnson

I shoot on a GSSF team & we have won 3 out of 4 GSSF events we entered. Prize is a plaque. This year, they charged an extra fee ($10) for team entry, plus the $25 per division. It is true that 1st place wins a gun in every division & the "classes" are done on the Lewis system so its like 2 or 3 more Glocks are raffled off. After 3 years, I still have not won a gun though. As for Glock's contribution to USPSA & IDPA, I think Glock could easily offer a contingency program like STI & profit greatly on the deal; they market their guns as much as anybody & could use photos/results of winning Glock shooters in their many magazine ads. By doing it on a contingency basis, they would not pay unless you win (while wearing advertising for their product at the match). Then again, Glock is already likely the #1 choice in Production and SSP - why offer anything?

"I don't see any way to double charge on this press as long as you don't remove a case. Nice feature." Auto indexing is a great feature & I beleive it prevents many mistakes such as a double charges that sometimes happen with non-auto indexing presses (yes I know it is still technically possible on SDB & 650). Good press. Wish Dillon would add caliber conversions for many more calibers on this little gem. And a case feader. And lower price. Delivery on a silver platter maybe? D.

Believe it uses the Para Ord/Mec-Gar-for-Para mags. Please post report on quality/reliability once it arrives. Thanks, D.

Another view just after fitting the slide along with one in .45 ACP.

The frame is a CNC long/wide dust cover single stack frame by Kristi Tool/KT Ordnance. Here is the link: http://www.ktordnance.com/kto/ It is CNC machined in 2 steel halves (4140 I believe), then a process developed by NASA is used to fuse the halves: vacuum brazing in a special furnace; I understand from my friend Jung that this process allowed NASA to braze parts that would otherwise warp from the heat. The frame is only sold as an 80% complete receiver and must be finished into the final firearm by the owner. Here is another photo prior to finishing (I used manganese parkerizing solution) along with some micarta grip panels I will someday finish into something like the popular Gunners grips:

The older Standar IPSC came with 4 terrible 10 round mags. The new CZ TS comes with 3 of the IPSC Box rule legal 17 round mags. Robin Taylor makes a plus 2/ plus 3 extension to bring capacity in line with the STI/SV. Like the STI though, they don't give you the 140mm mag extensions for free with the gun; you have to buy them seperatly. Still a lot less $$$ than SV/STI mags though.

I have cut both types into 1911 frames for .40 barrels; the Nowlin/Wilson requires a special cutter from Brownells. My friend Alan has not experienced problems with unramped .40 barrels & I know he used to shoot .40 Open Major. I personally err on the side of caution here; I think that unramped .40 barrels are unsafe - particularly with the brass I use that may have an uncertian history or the loads that some people use in .40 (specifically, the N-310 & 200 grn bullet loads; I would not shoot those unsupported. In fact, I do not use N310 for .40 major at all - call me chicken). Regards, D.

Sasquatch - you tested them & published your findings; for that I think you deserve thanks. Thanks. I installed a Sprinco recoil reducer in one of my CZs & I think its close to on par with my SV limited gun as far as recoil and splits; there might be a little more recoil with the other (non sprinco) CZ now that you mention it; I have not played around with spring weights on the CZ like I have with the SV. Also, I simply load 180 grn bullets over N320 at an OAL to fit the Standard IPSC (Max about 1.170"). In sum, once the Sprinco was installed, I found the recoil comparable to the STI/SV or just slightly heavier with my loads. As for phsical size - no argument there; the Standard IPSC is a LARGE gun & one should try to handle one before taking the plunge. Thanks for your input. D.

Kevin wrote: "The CZ rep there said the trigger was stock, right out of the box. If so, its the best Ive ever felt out of the box. It was as good or better than my custom trigger jobs. The trigger had almost no takeup, was no more than 1.5lbs and slight overtravel. That one made me think. " Kevin - I own 2 of these guns & Vlad D. above (dv8) also owns one; the triggers do indeed come that light & they actually lighten up slightly once they are broken in. Vlad an I both have about 10 to 15K rounds through our guns (the Standard IPSC model) and have shot them in competition against the usuall STI/SVs. I own an SV .40 and can directly compare the two. With Robin Taylor's mag extensions, the CZ holds about 19 rounds & is reloadable; I once got 20 ina mag with a cut-down SV competition follower but it did not attach to the spring. These are durable guns. With the stock CZ buffers installed, me & Vlad are on our 1st slide stops (gun comes with spares). I think that the extras are for the guys in Europe shooting higher power factor .40. Also, there is one report of the very early barrels having a problem with home-cast lead bullets. Are you a bullet caster? I am not & none of our guns have had any barrel problems. The triggers last too. Like the STI, the trigger is polymer and adjustable in 2 dimensions without disassembly. The gun is heavy. However, it is also very very accurate and reliable. Question is, is it BETTER than an STI/SV?? I would not say that. However, with a little grip tape & some extenstions for the 3 included mags, I believe it is equal to an STI for Limited. I bought both of mine used for $700 each (retail is about $1100). I got 2 guns for the price of 1 brand new STI Edge (that does not come with mags or the tuning they so often need). It is a gun to consider. D. Forgot to add that there is a website with more info on the gun you saw (called a "TS" or Tactical/Sports" which is nearly identical to our "Standard IPSC" guns). This is by the home-bullet caster who had some barrel problems: www.strictlyIPSC.com). Also look at the link on the page for "MatFakta" for accesories.

They were ALL over the Taxi stage - as well as that bed stage & in the "facilities". Ick.

Guy; I shoot 9 major out of an Open Glock built by John Nagel using a 5.5" KKM supported SS barrel featuring 3 exhaust ports measuring .205" each exiting through a top-rib like a Schuemann barrel. Some of my handloads include: 8.8 grns of Vihta Vouri 3N38 powder under a 124 grn Montana Golf CMJ with Federal Small Pistol primer. Avg. out of my gun for this load is approx 1348 FPS. It is a compressed load at 1.160". Another load using that length, bullet, and primer is: 7.4 grns of N-350 powder: Avg. 1341 FPS. For both of these loads, I used several-times fired Hirtenberger L7 A1 cases with NO problems whatsoever. I weighed a once-fired case (with spent primer) that is head-stamped: "HP L7 A1 91" Weight - 59.1 grns. -- this spent case is, of course, originally from the notorious Hirtenberger L7 factory NATO surplus load that propels a 124 grn FMJ to Major out of most non-ported guns (and some ported ones too). It is military surplus and the 2400 rounds I have came in lead/wire sealed ammo cans of 1200 rounds. I chronoed this factory loaded 9 Major ammo through a properly calibrated PACT Mk. IV chrono bought from Brian Enos; -out of a stock Glock 17 with stock barrel: Avg. 1343 FPS -out of a 9 Major STI useing a Schuemann non-AET barrel: Avg. 1354 FPS. -out of an Colt built 16" AR-15 rifle with chrome lined bore, this load avgd. 1421 FPS. -despite all the warnings, a friend has fired many thousands of rounds of L7A1 through his STI/Schuemann barreled gun with NO problems. Though I have only fired a few rounds through my Glock 17 & Steyr M9, a competition team mate reports firing all 1000 rounds of L7 he bought through his Glock 17 with no ill effect. None of the guns used experienced cracked slides. I do not fire this factory ammo from the Open glock simply because the primers are very hard military primers and my Glock's light trigger does not ignite these primers reliably. What slides do crack? I believe that only Stock, factory brand Glock brand slides crack with continuous long term use of certain hand loads of Major 9. My Open 9 Major glock uses a Caspian built Glock slide. The gunsmith who built my Open Glock managed to crack several stock Glock slides before resorting to Caspian. So far, NO caspian slides have cracked as far as I know. I have never seen or heard of a 9 major slide from a 1911 crack. In addition to the L7 cases, I have used once-fired 9x19mm cases from all of the leading US manufacturers with zero problems thus far. After several loadings of 9 Major, I retire my cases for use with Matt Burkett's Minor 9mm load which produces +p+ pressure (if the numbers from Quickload are to be believed). This load consists of 3.2 grns of N310 powder under a Jacketed or Plated 147 grn bullet loaded out to 1.145 to 1.155" OAL; a Lee Undersize die is used to prevent the possibility of set-back. This load was used by Phil Strader to take second place at the IDPA Winter nationals year before last with a Glock 17; I know because I loaded the ammo he used for that match (L7 A1 cases & Zero 147 JHP). There are 4 other avid Minor shooters in the D.C. area regularly using this same Minor load with NO reported brass problems. I believe that 9x19mm brass is actually much stronger than it is given credit for. In addition to the obviously heavy L7 cases, isn't there a factory 9x19mm load used by Rob Leatham in practice that generates Major velocity? I am looking forward to your report in FrontSight. Regards, D.C. Johnson www.shootersparadise.com

"We should commend the Nationals ROs for their commitment and dedication to our sport." Could not agree more! Many from the BE.com community dedicated their time including BDH, who I have thanked already; to the remaining NROI staff, a sincere thanks for the Nationals as well as everything else you do for the sport. Regards, D.C. Johnson TY-44934 www.shootersparadise.com

Driver8M3 wrote: "i think what carlos meant is that other shooters see and hear about certain situations (like this one) and feel that they are also entitled to special treatment (meaning, outside the rules). and not everyone handles themselves as well as the 2 shooters at nationals did, which often leads to confrontations. and really, can you blame someone for wanting equal treatment? how can i be refused a reshoot now based on the "gust-of-wind" theory/reason/excuse? if it's OK at nationals shouldnt it be just fine at a little old club match or area match?" Precisely. Hence, the link to the other thread.

I now understand (in part) THIS thread and where it comes from (arrogance in our sport). The idea that any competitor (using two or more types of ammo) gets a re-shoot after BOTH shooting down a popper and signing the score sheet could well lead to some shooters believing that if they have to hit a popper more than once, they WILL be re-shooting that stage no matter how far they have to go to brow-beat the NROI staff into submission. Even if the explanation somehow made sense at the time, I am troubled by the "wind held up my popper" event and it is starting to sound a bit like a "dog ate my homework" excuse. Many of us have seen marginal behaviour from shooters resulting in underserved re-shoots (see thread above as well as others for examples). Perhaps we should afford greater deference to the 1st call of NROI staff & if a shooter (any shooter) insists, then let arbitration under Chapter 11 work as intended. In general, I suggest we all try to take the high road & make sure there are NO deviations from the rules for shooters of any level. The only true justice is equal justice. Regards, D.C. Johnson

"the best part though was when carlos came up to the line on stage 13 with ONLY his empty practice mag. whoops!" Guilty as charged (really was comical in hindsight); my stage 13 (a static speed shoot) included coming to the line to shoot & then a mad dash back to the golf cart to retrieve the loaded mags out of my range bag! Not the recommended proceedure.

Returned from Barry this past week & had a GREAT time shooting the Limited/Production/Revolver Nationals. I shot Limited. On the 1st day of the Nationals, I encountered a shooter in the safe area who pointed to the loaded magazines on my belt & politely said to me "no ammo in the safe area." He was curteous & obviously well meaning. I thanked him & pointed out that ammunition and loaded magazines ARE allowed in the safe area. What is prohibited is the handling of ammunition or loaded magazines. Several other shooters confirmed this & it was not big deal. Rule 2.4.2 states: " . . .loaded magazines, loaded speed loading devices and live rounds may not be handled in a safe area under any circumstances." On a similar note, Stage 13 began with an unloaded gun so I went to the safe area to practice loading magazines into my gun & racking the slide, then taking a sight picture & dry firing. Nothing was said to me this time, but after I started practicing loading empty magazines into my gun, I noticed the shocked look on the face of a fellow competitor who immediatly left the safe area and went straight to an RO where a discussion & some finger pointing (in my direction) ensued. What was said? Who knows? But I have some idea. The language in the rule book seems to have confused some people. Put another way, the rule book states: You may load magazines into your gun in the Safe Area provided the magazines are empty. The actual rule is 2.4.1.3: [use safe areas for] "Practice the insertion and removal of empty magazines . . ." This same issue came up at the Area 8 Championship this year where I was told by an RO: "you can't load empty mags into your gun in the safe area" The stage CRO agreed until they checked the rulebook. Again, these ROs were curteous & were just doing their (volunteer) jobs; I appreciate the volunteers who make our sport possible. And I understand that not all clubs follow the rules & I can respect local custom at other clubs if they are uncomfortable seeing people practice empty mag changes in the safe area. However, at the Nationals & Area Championships, I will follow the current edition of the rulebook. Not a big deal, but rather, one that has come up agan and again. Regards, D.C. Johnson

How about free? Use at your own risk: http://www.geocities.com/molonlaberkba/triggerjob.html or DIY Trigger Job Now how does this compare to the JP? I have no idea since I have never done BOTH. Have installed JPs on friends guns & they are fine triggers; my own guns use bone stock parts. If someone has done BOTH & would care to comment, please do so. Regards, D.

Definitly the belt type and the most stiff belt you can get; if its a 2-piece belt then the CR speed wins hands down (I tried the rest). I just shot the Production & Revolver Nationals (with limited) and I used a race holster for my SV .40; the guy who shot the best/most fast on the draw used a Kydex dropped/off-set & an SV .40; race holsters are a gimmick. D.C. Johnson

I heard about this contraption second hand over the keg at a BBQ - a non-shooting guy was trying to explain it and from his description, it sounded like he had seen one to many sci fi B movies & confused them with reality. Turns out he was right! Fly in the ointment seems to be "battery powered" - I think they will manage to start issueing GE mini-guns in back packs before we see a "centrifuge gun" on anything besides a tank.

In .45 I will use ANY brass I can find; some has been reloaded so much the headstamp is nearly worn off. .45 generates LOW pressure & virtually NEVER head-seperates unless its been through a submachinegun like the Thompson at work ( & then its obvious to see on the case). If you can pick it up off the floor of the range & the guys in the store will let you keep it, then do not hesitate to load it. I have had them split but never seperate. Safe stuff, .45.