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Oh duh! My bad. Well anyway, would you do one Jake? I'd have to say "no", unless of course, I needed a makeup shot on the paper.

Matt, the big question is, "Did you do a reload?"

Is that "Spanky" as in The Little Rascals or what? And I thoght Erik was The Rhino...or was that the Raging Bull...wait, no that was Buffarilla.......ouch, please don't hurt me... ...as I was saying, it's: Sir Erik The Great.

Nik, It's true, it can happen on transitions as well, but I think it's more pronounced (and more relevent to grassy's topic ) in the last shot before movement.

I'm with L-40, highly recommend against Holiday Inn. I had a very similar experience and in disgust went accross the street to the Days Inn. I know there was a long thread about this earlier, but I had a good experience at the Days Inn. Best thing about it was the price, something like $32 a night (weekly rate I guess). My room was cleaned every day unless I specified elsewise, cable TV, AC worked, at least 1 of the 2 ice machines worked, and a free breakfast. Don't know if I'll go back there, but I do know that I won't go back to the Holiday Inn!

grassy, You also may want to take a look at your hits on the last target of an array. If you see that you have hits left or way left of the center of the target (assuming that you were leaving the shooting position and traveling to the right) then that also shows that your not following through. What happens is the hands are leaving before the shot goes where you wanted it to. The hands moving to the right drives the muzzle left and causes the shot to go left. I know it sounds like a no-brainer but I figured it out a little while ago and it helped me to follow through a little better before leaving a shooting position. Regards, Todd

Happy Birthday Blake!

Being a very close friend of his, I'd have to vote for Ron! I just don't think it's fair to have to narrow it down to one person though. As Vince said, the list is just too long, I love you guys [tear drop]. On a side note, I don't understand how I missed this thread. I mean, it was started almost 2 months ago for cryin' out loud.

I've used Militech for several years now, and I absolutely love it. I highly recommend it.

Nice picture of Tom. I would think it'd be wierd for everything to be a little blurry except the gun, but I've shot with Tom before.....he's fast!

If I understand correctly, yes. But should the shooter's loaded pistol fall from the holster during that movement, then a DQ would follow. As long as the pistol is still holstered, then the shooter can turn, face uprange, and move towards the first shooteing position. As you stated, they would have to reorient themselves so as not to break the 180 on the draw. No different then a "back to tergets" start, really.

Wow Jake, 20 years old! My daughter Hanniel is 14, that's only 6 years younger than you...I feel totally old. A very Happy Birthday to you guys!

I think the problem with a canted sight picture is a combination of "point of aim/ point of impact" and "calling the shot". As Jake touched on, where is your round impacting the target at different distances? This will make a big difference if your sight picture is canted. It may be only a matter of shooting high or low A's with a level sight picture but with a canted one, you're talking about shooting low left or high right (with the example you showed above). That's with an optimal sight picture (equal height, equal light) and trigger press. Now think about where your round will hit if you have a less than optimal sight picture/ sight alignment and/or trigger press. TJ told me a long time ago to avoid canting the gun if you could help it and I think that's good advice. Sometimes you can't help it though so just slow down a bit and let the shot go where you want it to. Hope I made some sense... Regards, Todd

It also depends on the individual's ability to grip the gun hard while maintaining a trigger finger disassociation, in order to achieve maximum trigger control (assuming that there is a direct correlation between accuracy and trigger control). There is a certain amount of mental focus that is required to do this. For me, a firm grip is important to achieving the best results, but it's just one part of the equation. Jake, The Iron Mind Captain's of Crush list has expanded a bit. Right now there's about 120 people on the list for the #3 gripper. That by no means takes away from the feat that it is! A friend of mine from work is on the list and got me into it. I don't have a #3 yet because I'm still working on the #2. I'm almost there (about 4mm away)and have vowed to be able to close it by New Years day. The #2 requires about 195lbs of pressure to close. Just FYI, a run of the mill sporting goods store model is rated at about 30lbs.

Jake, I would also add that trigger freeze comes from tension in places other than the hands/forearms. I feel that when ever I've had trigger freeze, I've had tension in my shoulders/neck area and I was just generally tense. It comes from "trying" to shoot fast versus gripping the gun hard and letting it go off. Did someone say "Ironmind grippers"? Can anyone here close the #3 yet?

Yah, it happens about 20% of the time with my Glock and it happened at the Nationals once this year. The problem (in that particular case) was that the slide closed before the mag was completely seated. Thankfully I realized that it didn't feel right and I racked the slide before engaging the next target.

Brian, thanks for giving so much to the sport. Hope you had a happy birthday! Regards, Todd

Flex, I don't disagree with your last statement, but many times I'll let a shot go knowing full well that it is not an A. I know that because of where I saw the front sight in relation to the rear notch. I accept it and move on, in the interest of time. It's only when the sight is a little too far off alignment (called a D or a miss) that I call for immediate action in the form of a make up shot. Sometimes I process the visual imput too slowly and have already indexed to the next target. I'll then have to go back to that target to make up the shot. That's the worst case scenario, but it's better than finding out later that you had a miss. That's always a bad thing. You're the man, Flex! Regards, Todd

Good job, Jim and Erik! That's the kinda stuff that makes this sport great.

IJ, I shot with a Dawson .090" fiber optic front sight for about 5 years. I progressed from C class to Master (in Limited) and then my progress basically slowed to a snails pace. That was the point where I switched to a serated front black .100" front and that seemed to 'do the trick' for me. I've been using the plain sight for about 2 years now and haven't looked back. Call it the placebo effect if you want, it really doesn't matter. I seem to see a better, less busy, more clear, sight picture. I'm not knocking fiber optics, it's really a matter of trying different things and using what works for you. (I know you already knew that, duh...) Regards, Todd

Happy Birthday John. That cold weather's coming 'round the corner. Did you get any new underwear for your birthday? Regards, Todd

How did I not see this thread earlier? Well, I know I'm joining in late (as usual) but I'll chime in anyway. Flex, in a word, yes, I would have to agree with you that there were some relatively tough shots on movers. Personally I'm glad that there were. Even though I had 3-Alpha 1-Mike on both sets of propeller targets and a couple D's on some of the other movers! It pushes you to higher limits when you have those tough shots. It's not that the hits can't be obtained. It's how much time are you willing to spend to make absolutely sure that they're there? I've routinely hit steel chest plates at 200 yrds with my duty Glock, but I don't want to have to do it under time in a match. Maybe tough movers isn't the best way to test the upper limits of the top shooters, maybe that should be done in other ways so all the other shooters don't get too frustrated. I don't know....good post though, Flex.

We were actually banned from saying that at one time, if you can believe it. The Captain new what we meant by it so he tried to put a stop to it....

"...what? Behind the rabbit?..."

That's so funny (and cool). I guess I'm going back aways (about 18 years) but in high school a bunch of us used to use quotes from MP in our daily conversations as well. Mostly from Holy Grail, but other stuff as well. The funniest part about it was that no one else 'got it' including the teachers. Ah, what a blast from the past. Thanks Siggy.... Regards, Todd