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I like the Surgeon, it's easy to drop without changing your firing hand grip, and because it supports more of the magazine it can keep the mags from rattling without being so tight. It's a very well-made part, all the surfaces are well machined and beveled and there are little details like snaprings that capture your action screws to keep you from losing them. This is the one Terry Cross of KMW uses, it's basically a Surgeon with the back modified to mate to his Sentinel stock. The APA (old Patriot Arms) system and several others are good too, though.

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Update, I played around with it again and clicked the switch by hand with the battery out several times, and put it back in. It's working like a charm now.

Slight drift... Would one of those magazine systems work on my Remington 660 ? Flex, I am sure you could get a smith to mod one up but all of the DBM's (detachable mag bottom metal) conversions for the Remington (Badger, Seekins, Surgeon, CDI et al) are made for the 700 pattern actions. Like he said, the action screw spacing is different so it won't work out of the box, but you might get a smith to make one work. If you wanted one custom made for that length, your best bet would probably be CDI Precision I'd think.

At least, on my 550 that's what it's for. Looking at Dillon's website I can't tell if the 650 is the same. If not, it's possible that they just throw the same mounting kit in with both presses.

They're for the little chute that guides the loaded rounds into the bin.

Still not working, but I can feel a the button press in a little when the cap is loosened. I did get the illumination to change a couple of levels, but it's stuck on a mid-brightness setting now and I can't get it to go either way or turn off.

Mine came in today, it looks like it will be going back to Midway. The scope looks great, but the illumination button doesn't work. I put the battery in and the illumination came on bright, but pressing the button doesn't do anything. I read the button was stiff, but that's not working. I really like it otherwise.

Somehow I am pretty sure more will be coming in shortly. You are most welcome suesstech! Midway said the dark earth ones were backordered until 1/15, but I already got the processing notification. The mailman hasn't even delivered the Burris PEPR mount yet. Now, I just have to get a rifle to put it on...

Apparently a lot of people like what they're reading, I ordered one and a PEPR mount from Midway today and got put on backorder.

AI mags are the most common for bolt gun conversions because you have to mill away practically the whole bottom side of the action for a double stack magazine to work. It's been done, but the single stack AI mags work better. I like the concept, it reminds me of the direction my 700P is slowly moving. Some evolving pics from the last few years: Before: The mag system was kinda a fiasco, it worked but I wasn't happy with some things and it was returned. The rifle is sitting disassembled in the safe until I can stop spending money on 3 gun stuff long enough to buy a Surgeon magazine system.

Thanks for the helpful post, I'm looking at putting together my first AR for 3 gun. I'm bumping it so the next guy doesn't have to get to page 11 to find it.

Funny- I was at a friend's house last week, and he was telling me about this. Seems we might know some of the same people. We have an auditor that comes in periodically named Dick Bluit, and my sister went to school with a girl named April May June.

For my dummies, I: 1. Resize the cases 2. Fill the primer pockets with RTV. I've trimmed an eraser too, but the RTV is easier. Maybe not necessary for the firing pin, but can't hurt. 3. Fill the case with tumbler media to prevent bullet setback. Again probably not necessary, but can't hurt. 4. Seat and crimp a bullet of a different type than I usually use. 5. Mark the cases with red Sharpie in the rim groove. I keep them in dedicated magazines that I use for nothing but mag change practice.

Not that he's not very young, but the fact that he looks even younger makes it more controversial. He looks barely older than my two year old (who doesn't shoot matches yet!)

The Savage has a better trigger than the Marlin. But, I would lean towards a 17HMR personally.

Makes sense, thanks.

What is the purpose of having a handguard that long?

Sounds like I know one of the shots that I'll have to practice for. And, if I know you, it'll be done from the side of a 60 degree incline, in 14 inches of water, shooting around a pine tree, with the target barely visible through the snow. Now now Jamie, that's not me, that's the Cap'n. If it were up to me, the shots would be luck shots, but you'd have plenty of time to do them. You know, the kind of shot that you make once in a life time, near impossible shot, but some lucky bastage makes it so you know it can be done. Or something so stupid easy you can't believe you missed it, like a 3/8" dot at 11'. Man, I'd practiced down to 25 yards, but still wasn't ready for that shot. There were a whole bunch of guys walking away from that stage shaking their heads! I will say, I liked the pistol stages this year. A lot of the guys don't shoot pistols much, but most of them had a lot of fun doing it, even if they did complain about the way they shot.

I don't know that this applies to me, once the buzzer goes off I don't remember the plan anyway. That stage was my first one for the match. I ran the star like a pro, cleaning it very quickly and with 5 rounds. I spun around and took off for the next target like a hero, reloading as I ran. I managed to get the feed lip outside the edge of the grip and hung up, and stood there for about half an hour (it seemed like) trying to get the magazine to go into the gun. Unfortunately, it WAS on video, but I haven't gotten my hands on it yet. It was a sign of things to come, I had problems with my reloads all day. I don't have a magwell or bumpers on my single stack, both would have helped greatly. Or, not fumbling to start with.

Sounds like I know one of the shots that I'll have to practice for. And, if I know you, it'll be done from the side of a 60 degree incline, in 14 inches of water, shooting around a pine tree, with the target barely visible through the snow.

Here's another method, it's the easiest that I've found. Won't scratch up the bolt, either.

Could be a short chamber too. If you chamber a round, lift the bolt and only extract halfway, and then rechamber it, is it still hard? The case will already be under the extractor, so if it's still tight it isn't the extractor. If it's loose, it probably is the extractor.