Sarge

agree 100% just didn't type it fast enough. LOL

And just to be clear, I love USPSA and the challenges it presents. I'm not in favor of changing the game. I'm in favor of rewording the principles to more accurately reflect what the game really is.

Near as I can see that gizmo did nothing but make one case wobble less. Looked like things were working fine before.

True

Come on.... This is not about me and my stages. I'm talking area matches and many level II's every season. Shooters like high round count fast stages over tougher accuracy based stages. And how many times does one have to say, "I'm sure XXXX could do better with a squirt gun than most shooters. Such a tired argument to say a world champion shooter does pretty well.

Pretty much!

I'm talking about across the sport in relation to the principles listed. The typical stages we shoot are shot blazingly fast. Very uncommon to have a headshot stage with targets at 20 yards to slow people down. And there is no denying a heavier gun tames recoil better. I'm not saying FOR ME. I'm talking a general fact. So a heavier gun most likely has an advantage in regards to follow up shots etc. The principle says all guns within a division compete without handicap and that just isn't so.

Do a search of the forums. I talked about it a few months back. Long story short. The grip N pull was useless with BBI coated bullets. A hornady collet puller works about half the time with them but you have to get it just right. Good old fashioned Hammer style puller is the only thing that worked for me 100% without doing any damage to the coating.

Ah. Hadn't made it to the new book yet. Not sure if this is what you are looking for but: 1. Practical competition is open to all reputable persons without regard to occupation. It may specifically NOT be limited to public servants. AGREE 2. Accuracy, power and speed are the equivalent elements of practical shooting and practical competition must be conducted in such a way as to evaluate these elements equally. I THINK TOO MUCH EMPHASIS IS PUT ON SPEED WITH ACCURACY FALLING BY THE WAYSIDE. 3. Firearm types are not separated within their respective divisions; all compete together without handicap. This does not apply to the power of the firearms as power is an element to be recognized and rewarded. I THINK HEAVIER GUNS IN CO/PRODUCTION HAVE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT ADVANTAGE. 4. Practical shooting competition is a test of expertise in the use of practical firearms and equipment. I FEEL MANY OF THE GUNS AND GEAR WE USE ARE FAR FROM PRACTICAL. OPEN GUNS? CARBINES? BELTS WITH 6-8 MAGS ON THEM? 5. Practical competition is conducted using practical targets, which reflect the general size and shape of such objects as the firearm used may reasonably be called upon to hit in their primary intended use. I AGREE BUT FEAR WE WILL SOMEDAY TAKE THE POLITICALLY CORRECT ROUTE AND STOP SHOOTING HUMANOID SHAPED TARGETS. 6. The challenge presented in practical competition must be done with the utmost safety in mind. Courses of Fire should follow a practical rationale and simulate hypothetical situations in which firearms might reasonably be used. DISAGREE. WOULD WE REALLY CARRY A BRIEFCASE IN A GUNFIGHT? WOULD WE REALLY WADE INTO AN ALLEY WITH 16 ARMED MEN HIDING IN THERE? WHO CARRIES AN UNLOADED GUN IN A HOLSTER OR BRIEFCASE ANS SPREADS THEIR MAGAZINES ALL OVER THE HOUSE? WHO WALKS THE STREETS WITH A CARBINE? 7. Practical competition is diverse, never permitting unrealistic specialization of either technique or equipment. Problems are constantly changed. The exception is Classifier Stages which are used to measure practical shooting skill. DISAGREE. IF AN OPEN GUN ISN'T SPECIALIZED I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS. AND I FEEL CLASSIFIERS MEASURE BASIC GUN HANDLING SKILLS MORE THAN PRACTICAL SHOOTING SKILLS. 8. Practical competition is freestyle. In essence, the competitive problem is posed in generaland the participant is permitted the freedom to solve it in the manner he considers best within the limitations of the competitive situation as provided. NOT SURE. STRICTLY FREESTYLE MEANS WE CAN STAND ON WALL SUPPORTS (HOT TOPIC) AND SHOOT, ETC,I GUESS, BUT I SEE THE NEED TO CONTROL THE FREESTYLE ASPECT OF THE GAME. I DON'T MIND A BETTER THINKER FIGURING OUT HOW TO SHOOT A STAGE BETTER THAN I DID, BUT IT DOES BOTHER ME THAT WSB's HAVE TO BE WRITTEN LIKE IRON CLAD LEGAL DOCUMENTS. IT JUST SUCKS THE FUN OUT OF A MATCH SOMETIMES.

Sorry Gary, where can I find these "principles"? I have red everything I can find on the website and can't find anything. I find direction and and objects and purposes in the by laws but that's all.

+1 Not much practical about the gear or even the game sometimes.

I guess there may be a few shops around that sell at decent prices but for the vast majority that’s not the case. Consider yourself lucky if those quoted costs are accurate.

You are overpaying then. When I order online I either max out the weight or split the fees with 2-3 people. Either way it pretty much negates the fees.

While I agree, I must point out that the “start of the COF” is the MAKE READY command. Thus, as much as I hate to admit it, it seems like a loophole?

Ban the 92?

Easiest way for me to understand this is as Radartech explained it. If it doesn’t exist then your foot is touching the ground beneath it. If it’s in you are in. If it’s out you are out.

Amen! This will forever be known as the Vlieger rule.

Another example of, “let’s see what else I can do to make this game less fun”

Yep. I have sat in on several seminars. RMI’s even go out of there way to say it’s a common misunderstanding to say “break” the perf. Yet, here we are.

Hmm... I lube throw in CF and start cranking. Never had a problem.

And if they did it still wouldn’t make major PF. Off the shelf 38super is really only 9mm with a few extra ++ after +P

I agree in terms of USPSA Open guns.

Those aren’t competition guns. I think 38 Super is a great cartridge and would love to have one for carry or fun.

BBI .356 gauge fine in my Hundo . But it’s the standard 9mm Hundo and not the tighter version

Recoil in Open is not a thing. Actually lighter loads TYPICALLY don’t track as well as a hotter load producing more gas. Most are hanging on to 38 because it theoretically feeds better , extracts better, ejects better, blah blah blah. 9MAJOR has just come far enough in recent years to finally catch up